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Walking. That’s how you get around quickly. It’s quicker to walk in downtown SF than take a car for a good portion of the day. Also maybe you don’t need to get

Walking. That’s how you get around quickly. It’s quicker to walk in downtown SF than take a car for a good portion of the day. Also maybe you don’t need to get around so quickly. That’s kind of my point about how much damage the car has done to society.

kodablah 8y ago
> Walking. That’s how you get around quickly. You either have a limited definition of "quickly" or a limited definition of "around". > Also maybe you don’t need to get around so quickly. Or maybe you do. > That’s kind of my point about how much damage the car has done to society. There have been positives as well.
- apendleton 8y ago
  While I think the comment you were responding to was being somewhat snarky, urban design specifically to accommodate walkability is a thing. Cities that are high-density and mixed-use allow for many of the things people need to do on a daily basis to be close to where they already are, which makes "around" smaller for most purposes and consequently makes "quickly" more achievable on foot. Cities that have lots of parking lots place the actual stuff people want to visit farther apart, or who entirely separate offices from retail from food from residential, require vehicles.
openbasic 8y ago
You missed the whole point. Raining, cold, pregnant wife. Or maybe he was accompanied by his elderly father. Or young kid. Not everyone is a healthy 20 year old.
- themagician 8y ago
  I didn’t know that they executed all old people, children and pregnant women in Venice. Looks like they are doing it now is Oslo too.
  - openbasic 8y ago
    Now that's a straw man. Congratulations.
    - TulliusCicero 8y ago
      Now there's some irony. You literally suggested that it would be, at the very least, impractical to get around if you're not a "healthy 20 year old", and yet cities all over the world are filled with people who are not, in fact, healthy 20 year olds, and they manage just fine. And yet after an extremely blatant strawman, you have the audacity to call someone out who was responding to that strawman with a similarly extreme, but obviously tongue-in-cheek statement.
  - gt40 8y ago
    ...and disabled. I bet the politicians have nice cars though.
    - dbdjfjrjvebd 8y ago
      They just spent millions of kroner on a new underground parking garage for the Parliament...
- notatoad 8y ago
  take a bus. or tram, metro, or train. When there's no cars on the road to compete with and enough demand to make 5-10 minute departure intervals viable, public transit can be a very efficient and convenient option. Making the city center car free and making the city center motor vehicle free are not the same thing.
- Broken_Hippo 8y ago
  I live in Norway, and have for 5-6 years now. I'm 40. One of the things I noticed about the city I'm in - Trondheim - was that it was a walkable city. Between busses and walking, I'm usually set for transportation. We use the car once or twice a month for convenience (cat litter, for example). I don't have a valid license, so I don't drive at all and we didn't have any car the first 2-3 years I lived here. I commonly see people walking in all sorts of weather - rain, snow, freezing weather and sun. Proper clothing makes these things tolerable in addition to simply getting used to it. I see pregnant women walking. I regularly see mothers with young infants in strollers. I regularly see elderly folks, sometimes with canes or walkers. In fact, I did some language practice in a nursing home and somewhat regularly went for walks with a few residents. The folks that did language training in a preschool were outside daily. The elementary schools have sleds and buckets for snow. The combination of walking and public transportation usually works out well, and you do not need to be a healthy 20-year old to deal with it.
- pertymcpert 8y ago
  Get some exercise? It’s just rain. Has CA weather made everyone here soft?
sowbug 8y ago
To put it another way, how did you get there? If it was by car, then yes you'd probably need a similar way to get back. If you'd settled on walking, then returning by walking would naturally be more viable. Obviously, what I'm saying is you'd have chosen a closer destination. Hard to talk about public transportation without getting into statements that sound like judgments. Definitely not judging your actions. But it's not really a useful analysis to insert a particular solution midway into a situation when the solution wouldn't have allowed the situation to happen in the first place.
themagician 8y ago
Believe it or not, there were old and pregnant people before cars! We even had cities before cars! Venice even had old people, pregnant people, and children! The trifecta. Rumor has it these people still roam Venice today, although in smaller numbers.
- openbasic 8y ago
  Before cars life expectancy was between 30 and 40 years of age. And before cars, disabled people were put into institutions for the rest of their lives. I mean, if you want to ignore the benefits that modern technology brought to people that face challenges much bigger than the ones you face, fine. But one day you'll be in their shoes.
  - themagician 8y ago
    No, it wasn’t. And life expectancy is mostly a function of infant mortality. And no they weren’t. The car didn’t liberate disabled people. If you’re going to say stupid things like that no one is going to listen to you.
  - dibujante 8y ago
    Life expectancy was not 40 years. People who did not die in childhood generally lived to their 70s.
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kodablah 8y ago

> Walking. That’s how you get around quickly. You either have a limited definition of "quickly" or a limited definition of "around". > Also maybe you don’t need to get around so quickly. Or maybe you do. > That’s kind of my point about how much damage the car has done to society. There have been positives as well.

apendleton 8y ago
While I think the comment you were responding to was being somewhat snarky, urban design specifically to accommodate walkability is a thing. Cities that are high-density and mixed-use allow for many of the things people need to do on a daily basis to be close to where they already are, which makes "around" smaller for most purposes and consequently makes "quickly" more achievable on foot. Cities that have lots of parking lots place the actual stuff people want to visit farther apart, or who entirely separate offices from retail from food from residential, require vehicles.

openbasic 8y ago

You missed the whole point. Raining, cold, pregnant wife. Or maybe he was accompanied by his elderly father. Or young kid. Not everyone is a healthy 20 year old.

themagician 8y ago
I didn’t know that they executed all old people, children and pregnant women in Venice. Looks like they are doing it now is Oslo too.
- openbasic 8y ago
  Now that's a straw man. Congratulations.
  - TulliusCicero 8y ago
    Now there's some irony. You literally suggested that it would be, at the very least, impractical to get around if you're not a "healthy 20 year old", and yet cities all over the world are filled with people who are not, in fact, healthy 20 year olds, and they manage just fine. And yet after an extremely blatant strawman, you have the audacity to call someone out who was responding to that strawman with a similarly extreme, but obviously tongue-in-cheek statement.
- gt40 8y ago
  ...and disabled. I bet the politicians have nice cars though.
  - dbdjfjrjvebd 8y ago
    They just spent millions of kroner on a new underground parking garage for the Parliament...
notatoad 8y ago
take a bus. or tram, metro, or train. When there's no cars on the road to compete with and enough demand to make 5-10 minute departure intervals viable, public transit can be a very efficient and convenient option. Making the city center car free and making the city center motor vehicle free are not the same thing.
Broken_Hippo 8y ago
I live in Norway, and have for 5-6 years now. I'm 40. One of the things I noticed about the city I'm in - Trondheim - was that it was a walkable city. Between busses and walking, I'm usually set for transportation. We use the car once or twice a month for convenience (cat litter, for example). I don't have a valid license, so I don't drive at all and we didn't have any car the first 2-3 years I lived here. I commonly see people walking in all sorts of weather - rain, snow, freezing weather and sun. Proper clothing makes these things tolerable in addition to simply getting used to it. I see pregnant women walking. I regularly see mothers with young infants in strollers. I regularly see elderly folks, sometimes with canes or walkers. In fact, I did some language practice in a nursing home and somewhat regularly went for walks with a few residents. The folks that did language training in a preschool were outside daily. The elementary schools have sleds and buckets for snow. The combination of walking and public transportation usually works out well, and you do not need to be a healthy 20-year old to deal with it.
pertymcpert 8y ago
Get some exercise? It’s just rain. Has CA weather made everyone here soft?

sowbug 8y ago

To put it another way, how did you get there? If it was by car, then yes you'd probably need a similar way to get back. If you'd settled on walking, then returning by walking would naturally be more viable. Obviously, what I'm saying is you'd have chosen a closer destination. Hard to talk about public transportation without getting into statements that sound like judgments. Definitely not judging your actions. But it's not really a useful analysis to insert a particular solution midway into a situation when the solution wouldn't have allowed the situation to happen in the first place.

themagician 8y ago

Believe it or not, there were old and pregnant people before cars! We even had cities before cars! Venice even had old people, pregnant people, and children! The trifecta. Rumor has it these people still roam Venice today, although in smaller numbers.

openbasic 8y ago
Before cars life expectancy was between 30 and 40 years of age. And before cars, disabled people were put into institutions for the rest of their lives. I mean, if you want to ignore the benefits that modern technology brought to people that face challenges much bigger than the ones you face, fine. But one day you'll be in their shoes.
- themagician 8y ago
  No, it wasn’t. And life expectancy is mostly a function of infant mortality. And no they weren’t. The car didn’t liberate disabled people. If you’re going to say stupid things like that no one is going to listen to you.
- dibujante 8y ago
  Life expectancy was not 40 years. People who did not die in childhood generally lived to their 70s.

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