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And the Congress is by no means required to give the President everything he asks for. The perfectly good funding plan was given to Trump by his allies when th

And the Congress is by no means required to give the President everything he asks for. The perfectly good funding plan was given to Trump by his allies when they controlled both houses, it was the most favorable plan he could ever possibly get. It even had some wall funding in it. It was 100% his decision to veto it, and 100% his stupid fault for thinking that he could get more concessions from his enemies than he could from his friends, right after those enemies won the House by the largest popular vote margin in history.

busterarm 8y ago
I commend you for being motivated but this doesn't match the actual facts. President Trump has not vetoed a single bill during his term of office thus far. Go look this up if you do not believe me. Please see spurcell93's sibling comment to yours in this thread.
- hannasanarion 8y ago
  No, he didn't, he called Paul Ryan and said "if you don't give me XYZ demands that Mitch McConnel wouldn't let me have I'll veto the bill and shut down the government" and then Ryan flopped around like a fish and then the shutdown started. It was still Trump's veto that started the whole thing, the fact that it was threatened instead of exercised makes no difference.
  - leereeves 8y ago
    That's a complete fabrication. Paul Ryan and the House passed a budget bill that included wall funding. https://www.npr.org/2018/12/20/678602214/senate-approves-temporary-funding-bill-house-likely-to-act-today-avoiding-shutdo https://www.npr.org/2018/12/20/678602214/senate-approves-tem... The Senate failed to pass a compatible budget bill because Democrats refused to include any funding for a wall. > Senate Democratic leader, Chuck Schumer, of New York, pledged to continue the discussions, but said it was clear there are not enough votes to pass a spending measure that includes funding for a wall along the nation’s southern border. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/21/government-shutdown-lawmakers-have-just-hours-strike-budget-deal/2383394002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/21/gove...
    - busterarm 8y ago
      Thank you for trying. We're in the post-facts era of journalism and most people just recite what supports their worldview. I don't even support Trump, but I can't simply state facts anymore because they don't support the mainstream narrative. The emperor has no clothes.
    - torstenvl 8y ago
      I think you're mostly right, so please don't take this the wrong way, but I think you might be overstating your case to say that GP's take is a complete fabrication. There were veto threats involved that led directly to the shutdown, specifically pertaining to a stop-gap that would have run till February 8th. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/trump-says-he-will-wait-to-get-border-wall-as-government-shutdown-drags-on.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/trump-says-he-will-wait-to-g...
      - leereeves 8y ago
        Thank you, you're right, that's important to include. But that's the only detail of the story told above that's true.

busterarm 8y ago

I commend you for being motivated but this doesn't match the actual facts. President Trump has not vetoed a single bill during his term of office thus far. Go look this up if you do not believe me. Please see spurcell93's sibling comment to yours in this thread.

hannasanarion 8y ago
No, he didn't, he called Paul Ryan and said "if you don't give me XYZ demands that Mitch McConnel wouldn't let me have I'll veto the bill and shut down the government" and then Ryan flopped around like a fish and then the shutdown started. It was still Trump's veto that started the whole thing, the fact that it was threatened instead of exercised makes no difference.
- leereeves 8y ago
  That's a complete fabrication. Paul Ryan and the House passed a budget bill that included wall funding. https://www.npr.org/2018/12/20/678602214/senate-approves-temporary-funding-bill-house-likely-to-act-today-avoiding-shutdo https://www.npr.org/2018/12/20/678602214/senate-approves-tem... The Senate failed to pass a compatible budget bill because Democrats refused to include any funding for a wall. > Senate Democratic leader, Chuck Schumer, of New York, pledged to continue the discussions, but said it was clear there are not enough votes to pass a spending measure that includes funding for a wall along the nation’s southern border. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/21/government-shutdown-lawmakers-have-just-hours-strike-budget-deal/2383394002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/21/gove...
  - busterarm 8y ago
    Thank you for trying. We're in the post-facts era of journalism and most people just recite what supports their worldview. I don't even support Trump, but I can't simply state facts anymore because they don't support the mainstream narrative. The emperor has no clothes.
  - torstenvl 8y ago
    I think you're mostly right, so please don't take this the wrong way, but I think you might be overstating your case to say that GP's take is a complete fabrication. There were veto threats involved that led directly to the shutdown, specifically pertaining to a stop-gap that would have run till February 8th. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/trump-says-he-will-wait-to-get-border-wall-as-government-shutdown-drags-on.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/trump-says-he-will-wait-to-g...
    - leereeves 8y ago
      Thank you, you're right, that's important to include. But that's the only detail of the story told above that's true.