5 ms·

Seeing what republicans and democrats are doing to this country, i wonder if voters will start to consider alternative parties now.

gameswithgo 8y ago
You could mostly just get rid of Mitch Mconnel and Trump and most of the really bad stuff of late would be resolved.
- tartuffe78 8y ago
  You could mostly just get rid of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and most of the really bad stuff of late would be resolved. /s
  - munk-a 8y ago
    Hrm, if only the republicans could control all three branches of the government, surely they'd be able to allocate funds if that were the case? I suspect that a lot of republican higher ups specifically avoided funding the border wall until they lost control of the house so they could manufacture this crisis (especially as the potential to fund the border wall was offered by democrats earlier and declined by republicans, and the senate passed a "just keep it open" bill before going on winter recess).
    - burfog 8y ago
      There is control, and then there is control. In the previous senate, less than half of the senators would reliably vote as republicans.
      - munk-a 8y ago
        Yea I know, those ones tended to vote with Trump sometimes! In all serious I don't know if this was meant as sarcasm but party cohesion in the republican party is quite high, it's one of the reasons the republican minority was effective against Obama - senators would freely discard logic to toe the party line.
        burfog 8y ago
        When the majority is only 51 to 49, "quite high" doesn't cut it. Even with the VP to break ties, it only takes two defectors to lose. Commonly there were three defectors.
  - jtmcmc 8y ago
    ah that's a nice false equivalence.
ceejayoz 8y ago
Nah. The vast majority will blame the party they dislike. A few in the middle may switch which party they dislike for a while.
vkou 8y ago
This shutdown started when the Republicans controlled all 4 chambers of government (The house, the senate, the presidency, and the judiciary). There's plenty of both sides blame that you can assign for various problems in the country, but this is not one of them, and it is incredibly disingenuous to do so.
manicdee 8y ago
Well there's certainly a very strong argument to reform the system of voting: switch to some form of preferential voting and remove the electoral college. Then you might see people voting for a third party because their vote isn't automatically wasted.

gameswithgo 8y ago

You could mostly just get rid of Mitch Mconnel and Trump and most of the really bad stuff of late would be resolved.

tartuffe78 8y ago
You could mostly just get rid of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and most of the really bad stuff of late would be resolved. /s
- munk-a 8y ago
  Hrm, if only the republicans could control all three branches of the government, surely they'd be able to allocate funds if that were the case? I suspect that a lot of republican higher ups specifically avoided funding the border wall until they lost control of the house so they could manufacture this crisis (especially as the potential to fund the border wall was offered by democrats earlier and declined by republicans, and the senate passed a "just keep it open" bill before going on winter recess).
  - burfog 8y ago
    There is control, and then there is control. In the previous senate, less than half of the senators would reliably vote as republicans.
    - munk-a 8y ago
      Yea I know, those ones tended to vote with Trump sometimes! In all serious I don't know if this was meant as sarcasm but party cohesion in the republican party is quite high, it's one of the reasons the republican minority was effective against Obama - senators would freely discard logic to toe the party line.
      - burfog 8y ago
        When the majority is only 51 to 49, "quite high" doesn't cut it. Even with the VP to break ties, it only takes two defectors to lose. Commonly there were three defectors.
- jtmcmc 8y ago
  ah that's a nice false equivalence.

ceejayoz 8y ago

Nah. The vast majority will blame the party they dislike. A few in the middle may switch which party they dislike for a while.

vkou 8y ago

This shutdown started when the Republicans controlled all 4 chambers of government (The house, the senate, the presidency, and the judiciary). There's plenty of both sides blame that you can assign for various problems in the country, but this is not one of them, and it is incredibly disingenuous to do so.

manicdee 8y ago

Well there's certainly a very strong argument to reform the system of voting: switch to some form of preferential voting and remove the electoral college. Then you might see people voting for a third party because their vote isn't automatically wasted.