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You're going to be waiting a long time. EVs do not perform well at highways speeds so your ask is ridiculous. A 600 mile range use-case is a boundary conditio

You're going to be waiting a long time. EVs do not perform well at highways speeds so your ask is ridiculous. A 600 mile range use-case is a boundary condition at best as there are few ICE vehicles that can even achieve that. EV aren't going to eliminate the need for ICE vehicles but they should easily be able to accommodate 90-95% of the market. The biggest barrier to EV adoption currently is people incorrectly thinking they need a 200-300 mile range since that's what their ICE vehicle currently gets. We're a two car family and when we got the Leaf it was initially my commuter car (~25 miles one way) but quickly became our primary vehicle. We still had an ICE vehicle that was also used as a commuter but we ceased using it almost entirely beyond that. Last fall we sold our ICE vehicle and bought another EV and our lives have been so much better for it. Our biggest concerns now are how to transport lumber home from the home center as we no longer have a junker.

masklinn 8y ago
> You're going to be waiting a long time. EVs do not perform well at highways speeds so your ask is ridiculous. That means they don't perform period, ICE don't magically avoid aerodynamic drag. > A 600 mile range use-case is a boundary condition at best as there are few ICE vehicles that can even achieve that. Every ICE I've driven was able to achieve around that level. A 200~300mi range is what's ridiculous(ly low). The best car I've had could exceed 850 at 60~65mph.
- cptskippy 8y ago
  > That means they don't perform period, ICE don't magically avoid aerodynamic drag. It has more to do with the transmission. Most EVs are more aerodynamic than ICEVs but still suffer at high speeds because they lack a transmission and thus require more power to maintain high engine RPMs. An ICE in comparison has a transmission to reduce the RPMs at high speeds. > Every ICE I've driven was able to achieve around that level. That's fine but not everyone needs that range. On a daily basis most people do not travel more than 100 miles. Even the slowest L1 charger can put 60 miles of range on an EV overnight plugged into a regular outlet. An L2 charger using a 30a outlet, found in most laundry rooms, can do ~20 miles an hour. Every two car family where one person has a commute of less than 100 miles round trip would be just fine with an EV equivalent to a Nissan Leaf.
  - masklinn 8y ago
    > It has more to do with the transmission. Most EVs are more aerodynamic than ICEVs but still suffer at high speeds because they lack a transmission and thus require more power to maintain high engine RPMs. An ICE in comparison has a transmission to reduce the RPMs at high speeds. Still a distinction without a difference. > That's fine but not everyone needs that range. Of course not, I quite specifically mentioned that it was my specific requirement in the original comment. > Every two car family where one person has a commute of less than 100 miles round trip would be just fine with an EV equivalent to a Nissan Leaf. Good for you. A leaf still is of little use to me. Even if the infrastructure were in place, which it is not.

masklinn 8y ago

> You're going to be waiting a long time. EVs do not perform well at highways speeds so your ask is ridiculous. That means they don't perform period, ICE don't magically avoid aerodynamic drag. > A 600 mile range use-case is a boundary condition at best as there are few ICE vehicles that can even achieve that. Every ICE I've driven was able to achieve around that level. A 200~300mi range is what's ridiculous(ly low). The best car I've had could exceed 850 at 60~65mph.

cptskippy 8y ago
> That means they don't perform period, ICE don't magically avoid aerodynamic drag. It has more to do with the transmission. Most EVs are more aerodynamic than ICEVs but still suffer at high speeds because they lack a transmission and thus require more power to maintain high engine RPMs. An ICE in comparison has a transmission to reduce the RPMs at high speeds. > Every ICE I've driven was able to achieve around that level. That's fine but not everyone needs that range. On a daily basis most people do not travel more than 100 miles. Even the slowest L1 charger can put 60 miles of range on an EV overnight plugged into a regular outlet. An L2 charger using a 30a outlet, found in most laundry rooms, can do ~20 miles an hour. Every two car family where one person has a commute of less than 100 miles round trip would be just fine with an EV equivalent to a Nissan Leaf.
- masklinn 8y ago
  > It has more to do with the transmission. Most EVs are more aerodynamic than ICEVs but still suffer at high speeds because they lack a transmission and thus require more power to maintain high engine RPMs. An ICE in comparison has a transmission to reduce the RPMs at high speeds. Still a distinction without a difference. > That's fine but not everyone needs that range. Of course not, I quite specifically mentioned that it was my specific requirement in the original comment. > Every two car family where one person has a commute of less than 100 miles round trip would be just fine with an EV equivalent to a Nissan Leaf. Good for you. A leaf still is of little use to me. Even if the infrastructure were in place, which it is not.