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I don't know who Ben Shapiro is so I'm just using him as an example and maybe he is noteworthy, but if the system tells everyone to watch Ben Shapiro videos of

I don't know who Ben Shapiro is so I'm just using him as an example and maybe he is noteworthy, but if the system tells everyone to watch Ben Shapiro videos of course everyone is gonna know who he is. Maybe he wouldn't be 'required knowledge' if youtube didn't force it and reinforce it on everyone. The current system doesn't tell you what people are interested in, it tells you what the system made the people pay interest to.

sametmax 8y ago
Well, I assume it recommends what other people that watched similar videos watched as well. I doubt Ben Shapiro is 'required knowledge', nor that he became popular only through youtube. Those people usually have an IRL crowd. They have IRL impacts. But I see your point.
- jobigoud 8y ago
  > Well, I assume it recommends what other people that watched similar videos watched as well. The problem is it creates a feedback loop and amplifies whatever is slightly over represented. I also noticed that on LinkedIn profiles, on many high profiles ones the related section contains pretty girls profiles with unrelated positions, just because statistically they get more clicks I guess.
toasterlovin 8y ago
To take the position that people only believe stuff because it is fed to them is incredibly patronizing. Sure, the fundamental dynamic of social media (that immediate and direct feedback about what captures user attention is used to determine what users see) makes things more polarized, but people are polarized to begin with. Conservatives are conservatives because they have a fundamentally different outlook about the world, not because they just happened to fall down a specific click hole on the internet.
- Elitroness 8y ago
  I have not taken that position. To misrepresent the views of others to make your argument easier is very patronizing. My post was about notoriety not belief. Many things, trends and personalities are created by the media, whether you believe what they say or not. Flat earth conspiracies would never have been repeated by NBA players if not because of Youtube's recommendation algorithm.
  - sametmax 8y ago
    Way before internet, I remember people were talking about how Marilyn Manson had surgery to be able to suck himself I also remember when I watched in disbelieve people saying the sun was going around the earth. Internet is just the reflect of human nature. Flat earth theory would have existed without it.
    - fhbdukfrh 8y ago
      Maybe so, but it now enables global reach at the speed of light. You can't argue that the danger from a stick of dynamite is the same as the danger from a nuclear bomb. You might not care about the difference if you're standing next to it, but they are bit the same thing
- fhbdukfrh 8y ago
  You're basically saying that well done propaganda doesn't work then, which is patently false. Watching polarizing YouTube videos isn't going to flip a bit, but constant exposure to a single perspective constantly reinforced is certainly going to influence your formation of beliefs. That's exactly what YouTube does with their recommendation system
  - toasterlovin 8y ago
    No, that's not what I'm saying. I agree that propaganda and social media are problematic. But they can only be a problem if people pay attention. And nobody is forcing people to pay attention. Which gets to my point: people have pre-existing notions and inclinations before propaganda and social media can even have an effect.
Consultant32452 8y ago
>The current system doesn't tell you what people are interested in, it tells you what the system made the people pay interest to. I agree with you 100% here. But this problem can't be fixed. All that's about to happen is Google is going to decide that people will be interested in something Google finds more palatable. I don't know how to fix/escape this problem.

sametmax 8y ago

Well, I assume it recommends what other people that watched similar videos watched as well. I doubt Ben Shapiro is 'required knowledge', nor that he became popular only through youtube. Those people usually have an IRL crowd. They have IRL impacts. But I see your point.

jobigoud 8y ago
> Well, I assume it recommends what other people that watched similar videos watched as well. The problem is it creates a feedback loop and amplifies whatever is slightly over represented. I also noticed that on LinkedIn profiles, on many high profiles ones the related section contains pretty girls profiles with unrelated positions, just because statistically they get more clicks I guess.

toasterlovin 8y ago

To take the position that people only believe stuff because it is fed to them is incredibly patronizing. Sure, the fundamental dynamic of social media (that immediate and direct feedback about what captures user attention is used to determine what users see) makes things more polarized, but people are polarized to begin with. Conservatives are conservatives because they have a fundamentally different outlook about the world, not because they just happened to fall down a specific click hole on the internet.

Elitroness 8y ago
I have not taken that position. To misrepresent the views of others to make your argument easier is very patronizing. My post was about notoriety not belief. Many things, trends and personalities are created by the media, whether you believe what they say or not. Flat earth conspiracies would never have been repeated by NBA players if not because of Youtube's recommendation algorithm.
- sametmax 8y ago
  Way before internet, I remember people were talking about how Marilyn Manson had surgery to be able to suck himself I also remember when I watched in disbelieve people saying the sun was going around the earth. Internet is just the reflect of human nature. Flat earth theory would have existed without it.
  - fhbdukfrh 8y ago
    Maybe so, but it now enables global reach at the speed of light. You can't argue that the danger from a stick of dynamite is the same as the danger from a nuclear bomb. You might not care about the difference if you're standing next to it, but they are bit the same thing
fhbdukfrh 8y ago
You're basically saying that well done propaganda doesn't work then, which is patently false. Watching polarizing YouTube videos isn't going to flip a bit, but constant exposure to a single perspective constantly reinforced is certainly going to influence your formation of beliefs. That's exactly what YouTube does with their recommendation system
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  No, that's not what I'm saying. I agree that propaganda and social media are problematic. But they can only be a problem if people pay attention. And nobody is forcing people to pay attention. Which gets to my point: people have pre-existing notions and inclinations before propaganda and social media can even have an effect.

Consultant32452 8y ago

>The current system doesn't tell you what people are interested in, it tells you what the system made the people pay interest to. I agree with you 100% here. But this problem can't be fixed. All that's about to happen is Google is going to decide that people will be interested in something Google finds more palatable. I don't know how to fix/escape this problem.