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There's at least two classes of employees here: 1) essentials, who are required to work and will indeed likely be repaid 2) non-essentials, who are not allowe

There's at least two classes of employees here: 1) essentials, who are required to work and will indeed likely be repaid 2) non-essentials, who are not allowed to work and will not be repaid. They've effectively been forced into an unplanned month-long+ leave of absence. To be honest I feel worse for this group, though it sucks for everyone. ETA: this is inaccurate, was thinking of contractors. Though I do wonder how hourly workers will be handled.

brianwawok 8y ago
Non-essentials EMPLOYEES are going to get paid. They have in every other shutdown. They essentially are taking a paycheck delay in exchange for a 30+ day vacation.
bpp 8y ago
That's not quite right. We won't know how pay works out until there's an appropriation ending the shutdown, but in past shutdowns both essential and non-essential employees have been paid what they're owed (I'm not quite sure how this works for hourly workers). Which is to say we'll have forced some people to work for no pay, and paid others for doing no work. (Yes, the pay is in fact just delayed. But "no pay" is pithier.)
chki 8y ago
I'm pretty sure a recent bill has actually changed the number 2) situation by requiring back pay for those that didn't work as well: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/trump-signs-backpay-bill-government-shutdown/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/trump-signs-back... But maybe I'm wrong, the article is actually quite unclear.
bargl 8y ago
I can jump in here as I've been a contractor, my wife is still a contractor and back-pay for contractors doesn't typically happen (Tim Kaine I believe introduced a bill including contractors). It could but it probably wont. On the flip side, different contracting agencies handle things differently. Some will let you take Leave and go in the hole while others will subsidies the shutdown for you. As always it's complicated, but it's a good assumption that someone in the contracting chain is losing money.

brianwawok 8y ago

Non-essentials EMPLOYEES are going to get paid. They have in every other shutdown. They essentially are taking a paycheck delay in exchange for a 30+ day vacation.

bpp 8y ago

That's not quite right. We won't know how pay works out until there's an appropriation ending the shutdown, but in past shutdowns both essential and non-essential employees have been paid what they're owed (I'm not quite sure how this works for hourly workers). Which is to say we'll have forced some people to work for no pay, and paid others for doing no work. (Yes, the pay is in fact just delayed. But "no pay" is pithier.)

chki 8y ago

I'm pretty sure a recent bill has actually changed the number 2) situation by requiring back pay for those that didn't work as well: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/trump-signs-backpay-bill-government-shutdown/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/trump-signs-back... But maybe I'm wrong, the article is actually quite unclear.

bargl 8y ago

I can jump in here as I've been a contractor, my wife is still a contractor and back-pay for contractors doesn't typically happen (Tim Kaine I believe introduced a bill including contractors). It could but it probably wont. On the flip side, different contracting agencies handle things differently. Some will let you take Leave and go in the hole while others will subsidies the shutdown for you. As always it's complicated, but it's a good assumption that someone in the contracting chain is losing money.