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they're explicitly prevented from striking Wow, is this true? Is this even legal (except maybe police and military)?
by justaguyhere 8y ago
they're explicitly prevented from striking
Wow, is this true? Is this even legal (except maybe police and military)?
- okl 8y agoIt happened in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968)#August_1981_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Contr...
- pc86 8y agoATC is going to be as important economically and for public safety as police and military. You literally cannot fly commercial flights without ATC. They issue the flight plans, provide the routing, provide clearances for every taxi movement on the ground and every landing and takeoff for every commercial flight in the country. So what I mean is that whatever argument is made to make it illegal for police to strike (assuming it is), the same argument applies to ATC.
- knotdvn 8y agoInvest in my startup. UBER for ATC. Algorithms for Routing, Smart Contract, BlockChain, Natural Language... Disruption
- opwieurposiu 8y agoThis is just wrong. Commercial flights fly all the time without ATC. The majority of airports in the USA are uncontrolled. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-towered_airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-towered_airport
- base698 8y agoAny flight above 17999 ft in class A airspace requires an IFR flight plan. IFR requires controllers for the clearance, release, and approach clearance. Probably what he means.... Most Jets and planes people have experience with would be flying at those altitudes.
- Casseres 8y agoFYI: Civilian flights in Class A airspace (at or above 18,000ft in most places) require an IFR clearance. State flights can fly "due regard" (VFR) in Class A airspace. In Hawaii, there is no Class A airspace, and I once controlled a civilian aircraft flying VFR at FL210 (21,000ft).
- akhilcacharya 8y agoCommercial airliners do not take off in non-towered airports.
- opwieurposiu 8y agoThere are many Commercial flights every day to non-towered airports. In backcounty Alaska this is the norm. Clearly you have a big-city bias in your thinking.
- akhilcacharya 8y agoOK, that's fair. Didn't consider Alaska which is known for these requirements.
- Casseres 8y agoYes they do. I have issued clearances through Flight Service to such aircraft.
- Casseres 8y agoAir Traffic Controller here. You are correct. There are many airports that are just a runway and have CTAF (Common Traffic Advisory Frequency) where pilots advise each other of their position, heading, intentions, etc. ATC can give clearances to aircraft landing and taking off from such airports, but the clearances only apply in controlled airspace, usually starting 700ft above the ground. ATC can also make sure there are no other IFR traffic for aircraft requesting clearances, but if it's VMC (visual meteorological conditions), there could be VFR traffic for the IFR aircraft that ATC is not talking to.
- pc86 8y agoEven taking off from an uncontrolled airport don't Part 125 commercial ops still require ATC to operate?
- pc86 8y agoI never said they didn't. Commercial flights must fly IFR, which means they must receive an IFR clearance prior to takeoff.
- saalweachter 8y agoWhat's legal is what 5 people on the Supreme Court say is legal.
- bdcravens 8y agoUnless it was deemed an emergency, how many months does it take a typical case to make it before the USSC?
- hindsightbias 8y agoAll the years it takes to get through lower courts and appeals. And then probably six months after it is accepted.
- opwieurposiu 8y agoThe usual justification is that Federal workers get more benefits (pensions!!) then other workers and so they give up their right to strike in return.
- tylerl 8y agoSafety-critical services like police, military, and yes, air traffic control, are not allowed to go on strike. Everyone who's working without pay is also not allowed to strike. Everyone else who is not getting paid are not expected to work during the shut down.
- NeedMoreTea 8y agoReagan outlawed ATC strikes, after firing all of them during a dispute early in his presidency. Early 80s.
- Cyph0n 8y agoI highly doubt that any president would ever dare do that again. It took years for the US to recover...
- rootusrootus 8y agoHow many times since early in 2017 have we collectively said something like "I highly doubt that any president would ever dare ..." only to find out that the current occupant of that position has no such qualms?
- Cyph0n 8y agoTouche.
- odonnellryan 8y agoThey can absolutely quit, but not strike. Does not seem constitutional in the US but eh.
- AndyMcConachie 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft%E2%80%93Hartley_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft%E2%80%93Hartley_Act The Act allows the President to intervene in any strike that is considered a national security interest. And this has been interpreted in the courts rather broadly.
- benmowa 8y agoI would hope this only applies to the Union's ability to call a strike, not an individuals right to call in sick?