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It's perfectly reasonable to look at the universe and believe that it came from something. Where there's little to no evidence is that it was designed. What fo
by lucozade 8y ago
It's perfectly reasonable to look at the universe and believe that it came from something.
Where there's little to no evidence is that it was designed. What for, us? Hardly, if so that's some record for redundant packaging.
Some mysterious purpose that we can't fathom? Yeah, I've worked on software like that too. Colour me unimpressed.
But it's beautiful? Well some of it maybe. A fairly large part of it is literally as dull as physically possible.
And there's myriad examples of things that are beautiful to us that weren't designed to be. They need to have been created, sure, but not designed.
So yeah, the universe was created. But there's no basis for believing that it was created by anything intelligent, nor that it was designed. And there's plenty of evidence that, once created, it just shuffled along on its own. No need for a cosmic repairman to still be around.
Oh, and thank you for not using the eyeball as an example of divine perfection. That one used to wind my (blind in one eye, short sighted in the other) grandfather up no end.
Unlike some here, I have no issue if you want to believe something different from me. But this is HN and that's not a strong argument.
- linsistine 8y agoPurpose is subjective. What I'm saying is, all of "this" must of came from something. And that "something" is what people refer to as God, the Higher Power, the "Ultimate".
- lucozade 8y ago> What I'm saying is, all of "this" must have come from something Fair enough > And that "something" is what people refer to as God Expects it's not, is it? If people stopped at "the thing that kicked off the universe", we'd be laughing. But they don't. You wouldn't need prayer, or moral guidance, or Pope's or whatever. Utterly pointless, the launch was eons ago. You cannot reasonably get from "the universe was created" to anything close to most monotheistic deities. There have been dualist religions that had a stab but they were generally slaughtered if they got too popular.
- dual_basis 8y agoIf you are just giving a name to whatever currently exists beyond scientific understanding then what use is that? If you are implying that there was an entity with some form of conscious thought which designed the universe we currently experience then no, I don't believe that. There are plenty of examples of amazingly complex systems which were built from independent actions not requiring a creator to design them.