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First, if a complex system like a bee implied the existence of a creator, that begs the question of what created that creator, since it must also be a complex s
by david-gpu 8y ago
First, if a complex system like a bee implied the existence of a creator, that begs the question of what created that creator, since it must also be a complex system. It's all turtles down there.
Second, we know that complex systems like bees can and do arise without a creator by means of evolution through natural selection.
Third, even if you somehow still want to believe in a creator, what can we infer about it? There is beauty in this world, but also suffering and misery, and that is not limited to humans -- far from it. Just as you would expect from a system that arise through natural selection alone.
- linsistine 8y agoIt turtles down until there is a beginning, a source. That source, or beginning, is what religions people refer to as God.
- notus 8y agobut they can't be the source because their design implies a designer
- linsistine 8y agoSo you've accepted the logic that all designs have a designer. But now you attempt to debunk the logic by saying, "Surely the Creator has a creator too, right?". But we've already established that the idea that all designs have a designer, all creations have a creator, is more logical than for something to come into existence, from nothing, with no creator, for no reason, and out of randomness.
- notus 8y agoI'm only accepting the logic for the sake of the argument, I don't actually accept it. I'm just pointing out that accepting the logic is dissonant because at some point you have to deny the logic.
- linsistine 8y agothen what logic do you accept?