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I know lots of bootcamp grads who got their first job at large and mid sized companies (100+). You should go look up the companies that grads from places like

by stale2002 8y ago

I know lots of bootcamp grads who got their first job at large and mid sized companies (100+). You should go look up the companies that grads from places like hack reactor go to. There are many big names in there (and grads that I know personally, that have gone to work for places like Uber, Airbnb, and LinkedIn).

rchaud 8y ago
I have a friend who's a Hack Reactor alum. There is simply no comparison between the rigor of their program and what the majority of bootcamps require. HR is incredibly selective in who they pick; they behave like an elite school in that regard. Their cohorts would likely be successful as self taught devs anyway, so HR knows they can push them hard. Most bootcamps focus on commerce first; if you can pay, you can attend.
- stale2002 8y ago
  I don't disagree that most bootcamps are lower quality. What I am instead saying is that I strongly oppose barriers to entry, that a union would implement, to keep out the highly qualified people from the top places like hack reactor. It would not be possible for people like that to succeed if unions started throwing up barriers to entry, regardless of how good the bootcampers are. And this applies to top tier self taught programmers too.
  - simion314 8y ago
    Why an union formed by you and your pears would put those barriers? I am under the impression that the programmers that are not having the CS education are not few so they can surely make sure they are represented. It is like you telling me that you heard that some police officers did some horrible things somewhere so it is better to not have police at all.
    - stale2002 8y ago
      > Why an union formed by you and your pears would put those barriers? Unions are run by majority rule, not by me. It is perfectly possible for the majority to implement rules that I disagree with. The history of almost every union in existence, proves implementing barriers to entry is extremely common. The fundamental reason, as for why unions try to screw over new comers is obvious. The reason is become people who aren't already in the industry don't get a vote. It makes perfect sense as for why people who already have a job might want to screw over people who don't have a job, to prevent them from competing. And it turns out that a lot of people are horrible individuals who want to discriminate against newcomers because "F you, they got theirs!". > It is like you telling me that you heard that some It is not some unions that do this. It is instead most of them. Screwing over new comers to protect the established members is almost the entire purpose of unions. > I am under the impression that the programmers that are not having the CS education are not few Those people would be grandfathered in, if they already have a job, likely. The people who would get screwed are the ones in college right now, who aren't allowed yet to vote on union rules.

rchaud 8y ago

I have a friend who's a Hack Reactor alum. There is simply no comparison between the rigor of their program and what the majority of bootcamps require. HR is incredibly selective in who they pick; they behave like an elite school in that regard. Their cohorts would likely be successful as self taught devs anyway, so HR knows they can push them hard. Most bootcamps focus on commerce first; if you can pay, you can attend.

stale2002 8y ago
I don't disagree that most bootcamps are lower quality. What I am instead saying is that I strongly oppose barriers to entry, that a union would implement, to keep out the highly qualified people from the top places like hack reactor. It would not be possible for people like that to succeed if unions started throwing up barriers to entry, regardless of how good the bootcampers are. And this applies to top tier self taught programmers too.
- simion314 8y ago
  Why an union formed by you and your pears would put those barriers? I am under the impression that the programmers that are not having the CS education are not few so they can surely make sure they are represented. It is like you telling me that you heard that some police officers did some horrible things somewhere so it is better to not have police at all.
  - stale2002 8y ago
    > Why an union formed by you and your pears would put those barriers? Unions are run by majority rule, not by me. It is perfectly possible for the majority to implement rules that I disagree with. The history of almost every union in existence, proves implementing barriers to entry is extremely common. The fundamental reason, as for why unions try to screw over new comers is obvious. The reason is become people who aren't already in the industry don't get a vote. It makes perfect sense as for why people who already have a job might want to screw over people who don't have a job, to prevent them from competing. And it turns out that a lot of people are horrible individuals who want to discriminate against newcomers because "F you, they got theirs!". > It is like you telling me that you heard that some It is not some unions that do this. It is instead most of them. Screwing over new comers to protect the established members is almost the entire purpose of unions. > I am under the impression that the programmers that are not having the CS education are not few Those people would be grandfathered in, if they already have a job, likely. The people who would get screwed are the ones in college right now, who aren't allowed yet to vote on union rules.