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Most human APM is wasted on "spam clicks". The effective APM, or EPM, is probably quite a bit higher for AlphaStar than for human pros.
by dllu 8y ago
Most human APM is wasted on "spam clicks". The effective APM, or EPM, is probably quite a bit higher for AlphaStar than for human pros.
- lawrenceyan 8y agoTLO and MaNa are in the top 0.01%. They are the best of the best, and then more. The numbers I stated was for the average professional. When you have geniuses like TLO and MaNa, average APM is more on the level of 300-400 consistent and 500+ in engagements. You're definitely correct that APM is not 100% effectively utilized. I would say maybe around ~40% of actions could generally be considered spam clicks. That still puts AlphaStar at a definite disadvantage in its ability to enact micro level strategy.
- darkmighty 8y agoTwo additional points, aside from APM effectiveness: - The APM constraint by AlphaStar seems to be average APM (or some variation thereof), while it reached 900+ APM in battles -- again with 100% effectiveness. That's insane and definitely beyond human capacity. - It didn't waste APM in the early game (when humans are warming up and spamming APM), further leaving slack for when engagements came. I mean, when gauging practical applications, we shouldn't be too concerned about good reflexes and superhuman effectiveness; however, part of the point here was to gauge other aspects of cognition more related to strategy, large decision spaces, etc; and in this setting it makes sense to constrain those non-strategic (more mechanical/tactical aspects). I'm sure e.g. constraining humans to <300 APM for example would change player style/effectiveness that much, while e.g. the blink stalker micro displayed in Game 4 vs Mana was really reliant on massive parallel single unit/group control (blinking every single low health stalker individually, engaging from multiple sides simultaneously, etc).