4 ms·

let me try to help you fill the data you assumed with concrete examples. search H1b applications for google and other companies. you will see google hires with

by gcb0 8y ago

let me try to help you fill the data you assumed with concrete examples. search H1b applications for google and other companies. you will see google hires with 60-100k salaries. being stuck for 10yrs on the lowest end of our category pay is very far from "high social mobility"

ben_jones 8y ago
Only one data point but this [1] suggests otherwise. It invalidates the idea that the median is in the < 100k range however it does not speak to mobility, i.e. that you may be stuck with an entry level salary for a longtime because you are indentured to the company that facilitated your H1b. [1]: https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=GOOGLE+INC&job=SOFTWARE+ENGINEER&city=&year=ALL+YEARS https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=GOOGLE+INC&job=SOFTWARE+EN...
- Roboprog 8y ago
  Median $127K on that search, FWIW Well over $100K, but that won’t go as far in San Jose as it would in Sacramento :-)
- int_19h 8y ago
  Google sponsors its H1B employees for green cards. If the goal was to lock in the workforce to pay them less, they wouldn't be doing that. Most actual H1B abuse happens in companies like Tata and Infosys, that are structured around it.
zavi 8y ago
Software engineers don't get hired to Google with 60-100k salaries, not even close.
- throwaway17159 8y ago
  They do: I was. Admittedly, at the top end of that range, and so one might argue that inflation has hopefully made that statement not true now (I would hope Google's hiring salaries have kept up), but the person you're responding to is also discussing H-1B, and I would expect the salaries there are not as attractive as normal hires.
  - zavi 8y ago
    Salaries for h1b cannot be lower than salaries for others by law. And nobody gets a total comp under 100k anymore.
    - stale2002 8y ago
      > Salaries for h1b cannot be lower than salaries for others by law. Yes that is the law. And companies break that law all of the time.
SubuSS 8y ago
Yeah those salary markers don't include the RSU :)
lsc 8y ago
$60-100K sounds really unlikely for engineering positions. A poster a bit down claims $127K, which sounds low but not unbelievably low for base salary. I can only really talk about my own experience, but I think the paysa total comp numbers are close enough to throw rocks at the truth.

by gcb0 8y ago

ben_jones 8y ago

Only one data point but this [1] suggests otherwise. It invalidates the idea that the median is in the < 100k range however it does not speak to mobility, i.e. that you may be stuck with an entry level salary for a longtime because you are indentured to the company that facilitated your H1b. [1]: https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=GOOGLE+INC&job=SOFTWARE+ENGINEER&city=&year=ALL+YEARS https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=GOOGLE+INC&job=SOFTWARE+EN...

Roboprog 8y ago
Median $127K on that search, FWIW Well over $100K, but that won’t go as far in San Jose as it would in Sacramento :-)
int_19h 8y ago
Google sponsors its H1B employees for green cards. If the goal was to lock in the workforce to pay them less, they wouldn't be doing that. Most actual H1B abuse happens in companies like Tata and Infosys, that are structured around it.

zavi 8y ago

Software engineers don't get hired to Google with 60-100k salaries, not even close.

throwaway17159 8y ago
They do: I was. Admittedly, at the top end of that range, and so one might argue that inflation has hopefully made that statement not true now (I would hope Google's hiring salaries have kept up), but the person you're responding to is also discussing H-1B, and I would expect the salaries there are not as attractive as normal hires.
- zavi 8y ago
  Salaries for h1b cannot be lower than salaries for others by law. And nobody gets a total comp under 100k anymore.
  - stale2002 8y ago
    > Salaries for h1b cannot be lower than salaries for others by law. Yes that is the law. And companies break that law all of the time.

SubuSS 8y ago

Yeah those salary markers don't include the RSU :)

lsc 8y ago

$60-100K sounds really unlikely for engineering positions. A poster a bit down claims $127K, which sounds low but not unbelievably low for base salary. I can only really talk about my own experience, but I think the paysa total comp numbers are close enough to throw rocks at the truth.