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Why not?

by BrandonM 16y ago

Why not?

icco 16y ago
That's like saying a windows app supports OSX by installing a Windows XP VM in Parallels.
- drivebyacct2 16y ago
  No it's not. Virtualization and a compatibiltiy DLL are orders of magnitude different, both conceptually and in terms of performance.
gcb 16y ago
So every windows only company can claim full Linux support ...via wine.
- BrandonM 16y ago
  Cygwin can see every Windows file trivially via /cygdrive. Programs compiled in cygwin are mostly native code that at the bottom rely on Windows DLLs. This is a pretty significant difference from an emulator or a virtual machine (someone mentioned Parallels below).
  - tedunangst 16y ago
    wine is not an emulator.
- eru 16y ago
  Unfortunately, not. Wine isn't that good, yet. E.g. .net stuff often doesn't run.
mey 16y ago
The compiled binary result of an ANIC program can not run on Windows natively. Thus where on other systems my dependency list is simply the native binary, on Windows, Cygwin either needs to be packaged with the release or installed manually by the user. It's a blurry question regarding where you say a VM/Compatibility shim means that you no longer running the application natively. The same can be asked of Java, Flash, and a lot of interrupted/bytecode languages. The distinction to me in this case is that the code is meant to be compiled to native code (which it isn't in this case), and Cygwin is not a common platform available on a Windows system. [Edit:] The asker of parent question should not be down voted, it is a reasonable question, and as I've stated it's open to interruption.
- rlpb 16y ago
  What about .NET? By your logic, applications written for the .NET CLR don't support Windows (XP) either.
  - sjs 16y ago
    Well, they don't. That XP users are likely to have something installed that has dragged in .NET doesn't change that fact.
- nitrogen 16y ago
  Perhaps you meant interpreted/interpretation instead of interrupted/interruption?
tedunangst 16y ago
Cygwin is GPL. Distributing even a simple unmodified GPL library with your code is a huge PITA. Your app may not become GPL'd, but you still need to distribute a copy of the GPL with all its attendant "paperwork" and 3 year ftp servers and original sources, yada yada.

Why not?

icco 16y ago

That's like saying a windows app supports OSX by installing a Windows XP VM in Parallels.

drivebyacct2 16y ago
No it's not. Virtualization and a compatibiltiy DLL are orders of magnitude different, both conceptually and in terms of performance.

gcb 16y ago

So every windows only company can claim full Linux support ...via wine.

BrandonM 16y ago
Cygwin can see every Windows file trivially via /cygdrive. Programs compiled in cygwin are mostly native code that at the bottom rely on Windows DLLs. This is a pretty significant difference from an emulator or a virtual machine (someone mentioned Parallels below).
- tedunangst 16y ago
  wine is not an emulator.
eru 16y ago
Unfortunately, not. Wine isn't that good, yet. E.g. .net stuff often doesn't run.

mey 16y ago

The compiled binary result of an ANIC program can not run on Windows natively. Thus where on other systems my dependency list is simply the native binary, on Windows, Cygwin either needs to be packaged with the release or installed manually by the user. It's a blurry question regarding where you say a VM/Compatibility shim means that you no longer running the application natively. The same can be asked of Java, Flash, and a lot of interrupted/bytecode languages. The distinction to me in this case is that the code is meant to be compiled to native code (which it isn't in this case), and Cygwin is not a common platform available on a Windows system. [Edit:] The asker of parent question should not be down voted, it is a reasonable question, and as I've stated it's open to interruption.

rlpb 16y ago
What about .NET? By your logic, applications written for the .NET CLR don't support Windows (XP) either.
- sjs 16y ago
  Well, they don't. That XP users are likely to have something installed that has dragged in .NET doesn't change that fact.
nitrogen 16y ago
Perhaps you meant interpreted/interpretation instead of interrupted/interruption?

tedunangst 16y ago

Cygwin is GPL. Distributing even a simple unmodified GPL library with your code is a huge PITA. Your app may not become GPL'd, but you still need to distribute a copy of the GPL with all its attendant "paperwork" and 3 year ftp servers and original sources, yada yada.