> I realize how trivial the material in my CS bachelors was and really the big problem is that most students don't really work that hard. As someone who droppe

> I realize how trivial the material in my CS bachelors was and really the big problem is that most students don't really work that hard. As someone who dropped out, worked in industry for a few years, and is now back as an undergrad(though in math, not CS), one thing that I feel is neglected in these discussions is the time-sucking effect of homework. When I was self-teaching as a dev, I could learn something, play around with it until I felt I had a good grasp, and move on. A college course ties a lot of work to each concept. I have solved way too many matrices by hand in the last few weeks, for instance.