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It gets a lot of hate on HN when compared to React/Vue/etc, but I used it for years and it was a breathe of fresh air coming from raw JS. I think a lot of peop

by dylanz 8y ago

It gets a lot of hate on HN when compared to React/Vue/etc, but I used it for years and it was a breathe of fresh air coming from raw JS. I think a lot of people on HN form opinions on software and its landscape without actually using it or interacting with its community (outside of HN).

Etheryte 8y ago
According to on of the biggest frontend developer surveys, The State of JavaScript 2018 [1], Angular is the leading framework that people don't want to use again after having tried it. So it's not merely HN criticism, this is a very common theme and having used all popular big name fronted frameworks myself extensively, I can also see why many people feel that way. Not gonna steer the discussion there, though, just came here to point out that it's not a niche opinion. [1] https://2018.stateofjs.com/front-end-frameworks/overview/ https://2018.stateofjs.com/front-end-frameworks/overview/
- pjmlp 8y ago
  That survey is biased, because it makes Angular == Angular 2+ == AngularJS. I used Angular 5 on two projects last year and was quite happy with the experience.
  - alasdair_ 8y ago
    It doesn’t conflate angular and angularjs at all - there is explicit mention of both of them and the differences.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      So where are the charts showing the difference between AngularJS and Angular adoption? https://2018.stateofjs.com/front-end-frameworks/angular/ https://2018.stateofjs.com/front-end-frameworks/angular/
  - Etheryte 8y ago
    While this is a very personal opinion, the main problems that I have with Angular are only increased with newer versions. I used to really like Angular 1.x, from there on, the required amount of scaffolding etc has only increased. I'm sure you can however find someone who feels just the opposite way. All in all I don't think this affects the results too much though. For example Vue is also in one big bucket with 1.x still being a thing. Angular isn't the only one who's had a fair share of changes over time.
xiphias2 8y ago
I see Vue as ,,Angular, the good parts.'' It's not that Angular is that bad, it's more that it was over-engineered (just like TensorFlow compared to pyTorch), but it was the best framework when it came out.
parthdesai 8y ago
Have used both, though granted React was the first SPA i learnt and i had to use Angular 1.x (shudders) and i absolutely hate working Angular 1.x.
- turtlebits 8y ago
  It's so weird to me that AngularJS (1.x) is a polarizing as Electron. It has it's warts, but I still love it as it's productivity factor is off the charts. Tried getting into Vue but do not want to deal with the complexity of learning a build tool. Could not get routing to work in Vue with static files.

by dylanz 8y ago

Etheryte 8y ago

According to on of the biggest frontend developer surveys, The State of JavaScript 2018 [1], Angular is the leading framework that people don't want to use again after having tried it. So it's not merely HN criticism, this is a very common theme and having used all popular big name fronted frameworks myself extensively, I can also see why many people feel that way. Not gonna steer the discussion there, though, just came here to point out that it's not a niche opinion. [1] https://2018.stateofjs.com/front-end-frameworks/overview/ https://2018.stateofjs.com/front-end-frameworks/overview/

pjmlp 8y ago
That survey is biased, because it makes Angular == Angular 2+ == AngularJS. I used Angular 5 on two projects last year and was quite happy with the experience.
- alasdair_ 8y ago
  It doesn’t conflate angular and angularjs at all - there is explicit mention of both of them and the differences.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    So where are the charts showing the difference between AngularJS and Angular adoption? https://2018.stateofjs.com/front-end-frameworks/angular/ https://2018.stateofjs.com/front-end-frameworks/angular/
- Etheryte 8y ago
  While this is a very personal opinion, the main problems that I have with Angular are only increased with newer versions. I used to really like Angular 1.x, from there on, the required amount of scaffolding etc has only increased. I'm sure you can however find someone who feels just the opposite way. All in all I don't think this affects the results too much though. For example Vue is also in one big bucket with 1.x still being a thing. Angular isn't the only one who's had a fair share of changes over time.

xiphias2 8y ago

I see Vue as ,,Angular, the good parts.'' It's not that Angular is that bad, it's more that it was over-engineered (just like TensorFlow compared to pyTorch), but it was the best framework when it came out.

parthdesai 8y ago

Have used both, though granted React was the first SPA i learnt and i had to use Angular 1.x (shudders) and i absolutely hate working Angular 1.x.

turtlebits 8y ago
It's so weird to me that AngularJS (1.x) is a polarizing as Electron. It has it's warts, but I still love it as it's productivity factor is off the charts. Tried getting into Vue but do not want to deal with the complexity of learning a build tool. Could not get routing to work in Vue with static files.