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Humanity may win here, but you should be careful about how you define it. Individual humans don't control much more of our environment than animals do. Like ani

by evv 8y ago

Humanity may win here, but you should be careful about how you define it. Individual humans don't control much more of our environment than animals do. Like animals in a zoo, we are often born into very constrained situations that wildly limit our actual control. We are usually caged by our economic situation. What I'm saying is, the "human" does not dominate the earth. The corporation does. We shouldn't be afraid of loosing control to an AI that will rule our world, because we have already let the companies do whatever they want. Some of us are lucky enough to participate in this world, by forming and working for world-changing corporations, but everybody else is closer to the bacteria side of the spectrum.

EpicEng 8y ago
Tell that to the folks who invented agriculture. We were shaping the planet long before corporations existed. It's amazing how some people can turn any discussion into some version of a discussion on /r/LateStageCapitalism.
- evv 8y ago
  Of course individuals shaped the planet long before corporations existed, but once people could organize and compete, individual farmers lost control.. right? These days, farmers are beholden to governments, banks, and agro companies, who use economical pressure to force specific behavior and crops. How much control do modern farmers really have over their farm? I haven't spent much time on that subreddit, but it sounds like I would feel at home there! It is incredibly important that we have each-other's backs.. humanity may technically be thriving, but most people are just trying to make ends meet.
  - EpicEng 8y ago
    >Of course individuals shaped the planet long before corporations existed, but once people could organize and compete, individual farmers lost control.. right? They didn't "lose control"; we discovered that, if we specialize, we can get more done and increase our standard of living. It's not all just farming either. You can see city lights from space. We have sculpted mountainsides. If I'm forced to go back to your angle, none of those things are possible with division of labor and a healthy economy. >These days, farmers are beholden to governments, banks, and agro companies, who use economical pressure to force specific behavior and crops. How much control do modern farmers really have over their farm? You're going off on some socioeconomic tangent when the discussion here is simply "which organism is most dominant." I don't see how anything you're saying is relevant. >humanity may technically be thriving, but most people are just trying to make ends meet. As they have been for all existence. The difference is that these days it's much easier than it used to be. For everyone. >I haven't spent much time on that subreddit, but it sounds like I would feel at home there! Ugh, enjoy.
- fucking_tragedy 8y ago
  > Tell that to the folks who invented agriculture. Are you sure that agriculture isn't just grain's way of domesticating humans ;)

by evv 8y ago

EpicEng 8y ago

Tell that to the folks who invented agriculture. We were shaping the planet long before corporations existed. It's amazing how some people can turn any discussion into some version of a discussion on /r/LateStageCapitalism.

evv 8y ago
Of course individuals shaped the planet long before corporations existed, but once people could organize and compete, individual farmers lost control.. right? These days, farmers are beholden to governments, banks, and agro companies, who use economical pressure to force specific behavior and crops. How much control do modern farmers really have over their farm? I haven't spent much time on that subreddit, but it sounds like I would feel at home there! It is incredibly important that we have each-other's backs.. humanity may technically be thriving, but most people are just trying to make ends meet.
- EpicEng 8y ago
  >Of course individuals shaped the planet long before corporations existed, but once people could organize and compete, individual farmers lost control.. right? They didn't "lose control"; we discovered that, if we specialize, we can get more done and increase our standard of living. It's not all just farming either. You can see city lights from space. We have sculpted mountainsides. If I'm forced to go back to your angle, none of those things are possible with division of labor and a healthy economy. >These days, farmers are beholden to governments, banks, and agro companies, who use economical pressure to force specific behavior and crops. How much control do modern farmers really have over their farm? You're going off on some socioeconomic tangent when the discussion here is simply "which organism is most dominant." I don't see how anything you're saying is relevant. >humanity may technically be thriving, but most people are just trying to make ends meet. As they have been for all existence. The difference is that these days it's much easier than it used to be. For everyone. >I haven't spent much time on that subreddit, but it sounds like I would feel at home there! Ugh, enjoy.
fucking_tragedy 8y ago
> Tell that to the folks who invented agriculture. Are you sure that agriculture isn't just grain's way of domesticating humans ;)