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By men youean man. And isolated events with individual employees who arguably had alot of power -- given he founded Android -- is a non issue in this argument.

By men youean man. And isolated events with individual employees who arguably had alot of power -- given he founded Android -- is a non issue in this argument. Google or any company has no responsibility or should be required to publicly shame employees who misbehave. And it really is non of your or my business that any of that happened. The rest of your conserns seem valid though.

fixermark 8y ago
As a shareholder at Google, it is absolutely one's business whether the company is paying hush money to make personnel problems go away.
- mbrumlow 8y ago
  I don't think being a shareholder gives you such rights. Even so, the guy in question probably had more shares than you thus trumps your desire to be a busy body. Lets see you walk on the google campus and demand to see who has been reprimanded recently to some random manager. As you are dragged off the campus yelling "but but but I am a shareholder....." But beyond that it is more likely he had a exit plan under which he was guaranteed such money when he joined google, bringing his baby Android. And as I recall it it was not as cut and dry of a situation as everybody likes to make it out to be. It never is. So you can be outraged all you want, and perpetuate phantom "rights" of being a share holder, but at the end of the day you are not helping the situation.
  - iamdave 8y ago
    I don't think being a shareholder gives you such rights. Doesn't the state of California actually allow vested shareholders to inspect certain financial records and other inspection rights? Wouldn't this include the records of finances marked for distribution from a legal settlement or otherwise?
  - fixermark 8y ago
    I didn't claim rights; I said it's my business. Shareholders should be justifiably concerned and can be expected to put pressure on a company that's cagey about such matters. Because it increases the risk that they'll have a messy scandal on their hands that could impact share value.
newscracker 8y ago
Please read this recent news about a lawsuit brought by a shareholder against the board. [1] There's more than one man named in that. > And it really is non of your or my business that any of that happened. I strongly disagree. If we have to criticize or call for action only when we're personally impacted, we wouldn't have civilized society. Google paid "hush money" to not reveal what happened. Also, more than 20000 Google employees who staged a walkout in November [2] disagree with your statement that it's none of anybody's business. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/technology/google-rubin-shareholder-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/technology/google-rubin-s... [2]: http://fortune.com/2018/11/03/google-employees-walkout-demands/ http://fortune.com/2018/11/03/google-employees-walkout-deman...
- mbrumlow 8y ago
  Number of people doing something does not strengthen any argument. I can point to 100s of things that the masses do that are completely wrong. So the fact that 20k Google employees did anything does not mean they were right. A civilized society does not have people getting outraged and storming out of work every time they feel offended, or don't agree with the actions of others. Even more so when those people simply do not have the facts of the situation -- mostly because it was none of their business in the first place.
  - newscracker 8y ago
    Everything you say above (except the last sentence) is true in the general sense. But you seem to have missed what's happened in the sexual harassment scene around the world in the last few years, and hence treating this as a one off expression of anger by some people doesn't make sense. I've said enough on this topic for now.

fixermark 8y ago

As a shareholder at Google, it is absolutely one's business whether the company is paying hush money to make personnel problems go away.

mbrumlow 8y ago
I don't think being a shareholder gives you such rights. Even so, the guy in question probably had more shares than you thus trumps your desire to be a busy body. Lets see you walk on the google campus and demand to see who has been reprimanded recently to some random manager. As you are dragged off the campus yelling "but but but I am a shareholder....." But beyond that it is more likely he had a exit plan under which he was guaranteed such money when he joined google, bringing his baby Android. And as I recall it it was not as cut and dry of a situation as everybody likes to make it out to be. It never is. So you can be outraged all you want, and perpetuate phantom "rights" of being a share holder, but at the end of the day you are not helping the situation.
- iamdave 8y ago
  I don't think being a shareholder gives you such rights. Doesn't the state of California actually allow vested shareholders to inspect certain financial records and other inspection rights? Wouldn't this include the records of finances marked for distribution from a legal settlement or otherwise?
- fixermark 8y ago
  I didn't claim rights; I said it's my business. Shareholders should be justifiably concerned and can be expected to put pressure on a company that's cagey about such matters. Because it increases the risk that they'll have a messy scandal on their hands that could impact share value.

newscracker 8y ago

Please read this recent news about a lawsuit brought by a shareholder against the board. [1] There's more than one man named in that. > And it really is non of your or my business that any of that happened. I strongly disagree. If we have to criticize or call for action only when we're personally impacted, we wouldn't have civilized society. Google paid "hush money" to not reveal what happened. Also, more than 20000 Google employees who staged a walkout in November [2] disagree with your statement that it's none of anybody's business. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/technology/google-rubin-shareholder-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/technology/google-rubin-s... [2]: http://fortune.com/2018/11/03/google-employees-walkout-demands/ http://fortune.com/2018/11/03/google-employees-walkout-deman...

mbrumlow 8y ago
Number of people doing something does not strengthen any argument. I can point to 100s of things that the masses do that are completely wrong. So the fact that 20k Google employees did anything does not mean they were right. A civilized society does not have people getting outraged and storming out of work every time they feel offended, or don't agree with the actions of others. Even more so when those people simply do not have the facts of the situation -- mostly because it was none of their business in the first place.
- newscracker 8y ago
  Everything you say above (except the last sentence) is true in the general sense. But you seem to have missed what's happened in the sexual harassment scene around the world in the last few years, and hence treating this as a one off expression of anger by some people doesn't make sense. I've said enough on this topic for now.