4 ms·

You're very fortunate. But I'll note that even engineers who are less productive than you deserve stability and some level of control over their work lives. S

You're very fortunate. But I'll note that even engineers who are less productive than you deserve stability and some level of control over their work lives. So maybe consider it part of your moral imperative as a "winner" in the current economic environment to make sure other people can taste the benefits you enjoy -- even if you have deemed them "less productive."

ChrisLomont 8y ago
>engineers who are less productive than you deserve stability At whose cost? Do developers even less productive than that next tier deserve stability? Does the worst employee deserve stability? All those protections have a cost borne by someone.
- chasing 8y ago
  > At whose cost? Do developers even less productive than that next tier deserve stability? Does the worst employee deserve stability? Yes. They don't deserve the best jobs at the fanciest companies, of course, but every single human being alive deserves stability. That's the baseline. If we as a civilization cannot provide that, then we need to keep working at it.
  - Jach 8y ago
    Fine, cook up a basic income scheme that won't fall apart then, but keep them out of the engineering disciplines if they can't perform above a minimum level. We can agree that we should strive for universal stability, but not universal stability in any arbitrary field of "work".
  - fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
    > very single human being alive deserves stability If that is your goal, software developers in western nations should be the least of your worries.
  - ummonk 8y ago
    They deserve stability sure, but not the right to have that stability while insisting on working in an industry they're unproductive in.
docker_up 8y ago
I disagree. I don't believe that engineers who are not productive deserve stability. They should leave the industry and move into another one where they can be more productive. The ones who are not productive are usually the ones that interfere with my ability to be productive.

ChrisLomont 8y ago

>engineers who are less productive than you deserve stability At whose cost? Do developers even less productive than that next tier deserve stability? Does the worst employee deserve stability? All those protections have a cost borne by someone.

chasing 8y ago
> At whose cost? Do developers even less productive than that next tier deserve stability? Does the worst employee deserve stability? Yes. They don't deserve the best jobs at the fanciest companies, of course, but every single human being alive deserves stability. That's the baseline. If we as a civilization cannot provide that, then we need to keep working at it.
- Jach 8y ago
  Fine, cook up a basic income scheme that won't fall apart then, but keep them out of the engineering disciplines if they can't perform above a minimum level. We can agree that we should strive for universal stability, but not universal stability in any arbitrary field of "work".
- fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
  > very single human being alive deserves stability If that is your goal, software developers in western nations should be the least of your worries.
- ummonk 8y ago
  They deserve stability sure, but not the right to have that stability while insisting on working in an industry they're unproductive in.

docker_up 8y ago

I disagree. I don't believe that engineers who are not productive deserve stability. They should leave the industry and move into another one where they can be more productive. The ones who are not productive are usually the ones that interfere with my ability to be productive.