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This is very valuable information the apps have. A woman menstruating versus ovulating are two very different hormonal states, and can at times appear to manife

This is very valuable information the apps have. A woman menstruating versus ovulating are two very different hormonal states, and can at times appear to manifest as different personalities in the same person. Thus the advertising potential is huge, very actionable data.

kempbellt 8y ago
Not OP, but if you're going to downvote, have the decency to leave a comment explaining why. Downvoting just because you disagree or don't like what someone said doesn't promote understanding Update: Hah. Downvoting me now? Why not contribute to the discussion instead? Edit: A little less triggering language
- moate 8y ago
  Comments about "the process" are generally unwelcome. It's not uncommon for posts saying "this is how you should post" get down-voted. Direct appeals to up/down-vote a post are against site policy. I'll conceded that down-voting OP might have been less helpful, but down-voting your comment isn't just standard practice, it's what down-voting was added for.
  - kempbellt 8y ago
    Respectfully, I disagree. Being unwelcome towards comments about "the process" goes against what the site is about. It is a community forum designed to promote discussion and understanding. Downvoting comments you disagree with or simply dislike, without any explanation, is harmful to the community and discussion in general. Also, I made no appeal to up or down vote any comment. My appeal is simply to promote discussion.
    - moate 8y ago
      You can disagree about what the site should or shouldn't be. Honestly, not my place to really care. I'm just trying to help explain why the mob was throwing tomatoes at you. Do what that what you will, and die on any hill you please. You also had, your term here, "triggering language" and flame-baiting is typically frowned upon as well. Calling people "white (sic) nights" isn't really promoting civil discussion. I'm tapping out here, since I have nothing else to say on the topic. I have nothing against you, just some friendly advice from one firebrand to another.
      - kempbellt 8y ago
        Thanks for your permission to disagree... I mentioned what the site _is_. Not what it should be. This is a forum to promote discussion and increase awareness. If that is no longer the case, we'll all be better off moving discussion to another forum. As I was left only to guess why my comment was downvoted, I inserted that guess into an _edit_ to my comment. I've since removed it since I came to the same realization that it didn't promote civil discussion. In honesty, I appreciate your suggestions for how to avoid comments which are "frowned upon". Truly. However, you are presuming that I care if my comments are frowned upon. I don't. My aim is to promote discussion and increase awareness and understanding - even if that means offending a person or two. Thank you for your feedback, however. It is appreciated.
    - scarejunba 8y ago
      Site rules explicitly forbid downvote complaining. Stop.
      - kempbellt 8y ago
        I didn't complain about the downvote. I opted for discussion. As my post has already been "flagged", feel free to opt out
tathougies 8y ago
Youre absolutely right of course which is why youre being downvoted. My wife and i are catholic and use natural family planning. We started with paper charts. NFP was mainly studied by the church and all these apps now are built mainly through research from catholic doctors. In our nfp group, we have many couples. Most of us started charting on paper, and some havs switched to our nonprofits paid app, but nevertheless, speaking with the other husbands there, most of us know exactly when our wives are ovulating based on our perceived changes in their personality. Through many years of paper charts we noticed my wife wouldnt sleep the night of ovulation and would be cranky the next day. Other guys noticed their own things with their wives Its not popular to say, but its true. Women who are actually having real cycles (as opposed to those suppressing it with the pill) do often have personality changes. That does not mean women are overly emotional or not rational it just means they are subject to regular hormonal fluctuations. Men are too of course but as far as i know there are no easily observable metrics to track

kempbellt 8y ago

Not OP, but if you're going to downvote, have the decency to leave a comment explaining why. Downvoting just because you disagree or don't like what someone said doesn't promote understanding Update: Hah. Downvoting me now? Why not contribute to the discussion instead? Edit: A little less triggering language

moate 8y ago
Comments about "the process" are generally unwelcome. It's not uncommon for posts saying "this is how you should post" get down-voted. Direct appeals to up/down-vote a post are against site policy. I'll conceded that down-voting OP might have been less helpful, but down-voting your comment isn't just standard practice, it's what down-voting was added for.
- kempbellt 8y ago
  Respectfully, I disagree. Being unwelcome towards comments about "the process" goes against what the site is about. It is a community forum designed to promote discussion and understanding. Downvoting comments you disagree with or simply dislike, without any explanation, is harmful to the community and discussion in general. Also, I made no appeal to up or down vote any comment. My appeal is simply to promote discussion.
  - moate 8y ago
    You can disagree about what the site should or shouldn't be. Honestly, not my place to really care. I'm just trying to help explain why the mob was throwing tomatoes at you. Do what that what you will, and die on any hill you please. You also had, your term here, "triggering language" and flame-baiting is typically frowned upon as well. Calling people "white (sic) nights" isn't really promoting civil discussion. I'm tapping out here, since I have nothing else to say on the topic. I have nothing against you, just some friendly advice from one firebrand to another.
    - kempbellt 8y ago
      Thanks for your permission to disagree... I mentioned what the site _is_. Not what it should be. This is a forum to promote discussion and increase awareness. If that is no longer the case, we'll all be better off moving discussion to another forum. As I was left only to guess why my comment was downvoted, I inserted that guess into an _edit_ to my comment. I've since removed it since I came to the same realization that it didn't promote civil discussion. In honesty, I appreciate your suggestions for how to avoid comments which are "frowned upon". Truly. However, you are presuming that I care if my comments are frowned upon. I don't. My aim is to promote discussion and increase awareness and understanding - even if that means offending a person or two. Thank you for your feedback, however. It is appreciated.
  - scarejunba 8y ago
    Site rules explicitly forbid downvote complaining. Stop.
    - kempbellt 8y ago
      I didn't complain about the downvote. I opted for discussion. As my post has already been "flagged", feel free to opt out

tathougies 8y ago

Youre absolutely right of course which is why youre being downvoted. My wife and i are catholic and use natural family planning. We started with paper charts. NFP was mainly studied by the church and all these apps now are built mainly through research from catholic doctors. In our nfp group, we have many couples. Most of us started charting on paper, and some havs switched to our nonprofits paid app, but nevertheless, speaking with the other husbands there, most of us know exactly when our wives are ovulating based on our perceived changes in their personality. Through many years of paper charts we noticed my wife wouldnt sleep the night of ovulation and would be cranky the next day. Other guys noticed their own things with their wives Its not popular to say, but its true. Women who are actually having real cycles (as opposed to those suppressing it with the pill) do often have personality changes. That does not mean women are overly emotional or not rational it just means they are subject to regular hormonal fluctuations. Men are too of course but as far as i know there are no easily observable metrics to track