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It isn't nearly as easy to connect to people outside the workplace. You have to reach out to people to get their personal contact details, and doing this en-ma

It isn't nearly as easy to connect to people outside the workplace. You have to reach out to people to get their personal contact details, and doing this en-masse could be construed as organizing activity by itself. They could even argue you are ex-filtrating confidential information (list of employees).

austincheney 8y ago
> It isn’t nearly as easy to connect to people outside the workplace. I think this is absolute core of the discussion. Like nearly all bad decisions ultimately it comes down to convenience. If this form of political discourse were as important as people claim they would find a way.
- danharaj 8y ago
  You know, unless the difficulty of doing without it makes it infeasible. Mobility impaired people lobbied for curb cutouts waybackwhen because it would make it easier to use sidewalks. I think that situation obviously shouldn't be belittled by saying it's about convenience. Ugh, if going to the grocery store were as important as they claim they would find a way /s. I'm not convinced this particular situation isn't also about feasibility.
  - austincheney 8y ago
    Accessibility is justified by equal access or anti-discrimination, which isn't the same as convenience. As an accessibility advocate I find that equivalence either insulting or grossly misinformed. This conversation isn't about equal access. Trying to warp it into such is insulting.
    - danharaj 8y ago
      > This conversation isn't about equal access. You're right. It's about workers rights. I'm telling you that I think construing the ability of workers to effectively organize as a convenience is also an insulting stance. In fact, I'm glad I chose an example that you find important. Maybe you can consider the possibility that there is a higher principle at work, maybe one that is as important to society as equal access is.
      - austincheney 8y ago
        > Maybe you can consider the possibility that there is a higher principle at work I would have started with that. At this point you are shifting ground to qualify an indefensible position on a topic that isn't that important.
        danharaj 8y ago
        The only purpose of my example was to show that in general the implication that ease of use reduces to convenience is false. I used an obvious counterexample. In summary, to imply that I think your assertion that it's about convenience is unjustified and off-base. If you think I was drawing an equivalence between the two situations, then I apologize for not being clear.

austincheney 8y ago

> It isn’t nearly as easy to connect to people outside the workplace. I think this is absolute core of the discussion. Like nearly all bad decisions ultimately it comes down to convenience. If this form of political discourse were as important as people claim they would find a way.

danharaj 8y ago
You know, unless the difficulty of doing without it makes it infeasible. Mobility impaired people lobbied for curb cutouts waybackwhen because it would make it easier to use sidewalks. I think that situation obviously shouldn't be belittled by saying it's about convenience. Ugh, if going to the grocery store were as important as they claim they would find a way /s. I'm not convinced this particular situation isn't also about feasibility.
- austincheney 8y ago
  Accessibility is justified by equal access or anti-discrimination, which isn't the same as convenience. As an accessibility advocate I find that equivalence either insulting or grossly misinformed. This conversation isn't about equal access. Trying to warp it into such is insulting.
  - danharaj 8y ago
    > This conversation isn't about equal access. You're right. It's about workers rights. I'm telling you that I think construing the ability of workers to effectively organize as a convenience is also an insulting stance. In fact, I'm glad I chose an example that you find important. Maybe you can consider the possibility that there is a higher principle at work, maybe one that is as important to society as equal access is.
    - austincheney 8y ago
      > Maybe you can consider the possibility that there is a higher principle at work I would have started with that. At this point you are shifting ground to qualify an indefensible position on a topic that isn't that important.
      - danharaj 8y ago
        The only purpose of my example was to show that in general the implication that ease of use reduces to convenience is false. I used an obvious counterexample. In summary, to imply that I think your assertion that it's about convenience is unjustified and off-base. If you think I was drawing an equivalence between the two situations, then I apologize for not being clear.