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What would you consider "not making it difficult"?

by erinnh 8y ago

Piskvorrr 8y ago
Full membership rights, with zero membership duties, it seems; and the right to reenter and reexit any damn number of times. Anything less is "punishing the UK". HMG seems to be under the impression that the whole thing is some kind of cat door.
alias_neo 8y ago
I'm honestly not sure, but the problem is compounded by a government that hasn't got the skills to negotiate the right deal, May's deal does not suit us, and ~50% of us didn't want to leave in the first place. I voted for remain, I've never sides with a need to divide and build "walls". I have my opinion on the kind of people that voted to leave, but I'm a filthy millennial, so what do I know. I should shut up and do what I'm told by the boomers and the Xers before they pop it and leave this mess to me and my children. A lot of them have complaints about what EU is doing to this country with its laws etc, but the unveiling to listen when I tell them about the laws EU has passed that have been good for us, even protected is as a people from our own government.
- erinnh 8y ago
  I understand you are frustrated, but I just dont understand the opinion that says that the EU is somehow punishing or making it hard for the UK during Brexit. I would really want to know what you would expect. Generally if you(as a country) decide to leave a club, you cannot keep drinking the mojitos that are available inside. There are a lot of things that came through EU membership to the UK, but these things cannot stay if the UK does not want to be inside the EU. The only way to keep some of the benefits is to negotiate with the EU. And some benefits are just not able to be separated from others. Like freedom of movement with the single market. Im interested in seeing what the UK decides to do in the next two months. What kind of consensus between the MPs is going to be found? (or maybe none at all?)
  - alias_neo 8y ago
    It's just how I understand what I've been "told". From the news we get, were made to believe that certain EU states are being "hard", harder than necessary for these negotiations. Or at least that was the case a year or two ago, I've lost track of how long this debacle had been ongoing. It doesn't help that we have a government that is incapable of negotiating their way out of a paper bag. My frustrations are very little about other EU states, who I don't blame, but since our government doesn't have our best interests at heart, it'd be nice if they remembered that 50% of us didn't agree on a vote 0% of us called for in the first place. I can't see our MPs coming to an agreement, they're divided, they want May out, but there is no suitable replacement. Corbyn couldn't do a better job, his heart is in the right place but he's equally incapable of sorting this out. At this point I'm jaded by the whole thing and I see no positive outcome, every day we read about major business leeching the country, that's jobs and money leaving with them, and frankly, I don't believe 2019 Britian has a lot to offer in trade. Next our NHS will be privatised, and the best thing we'll have to offer is our lovely weather.
    - erinnh 8y ago
      I mean the EU States very much remember. I dont know of a single state that has less than said that British people that are in the EU currently are still going to be welcome after Brexit. No matter what happens with the British government. It looks like British people wont be able to freely travel inside the EU anymore after Brexit, but are free to stay indefinitely wherever they are at the point of Brexit. So the only thing I can say is, you are welcome here. If you want to come and work with us, come.

What would you consider "not making it difficult"?

by erinnh 8y ago

What would you consider "not making it difficult"?

Full membership rights, with zero membership duties, it seems; and the right to reenter and reexit any damn number of times. Anything less is "punishing the UK". HMG seems to be under the impression that the whole thing is some kind of cat door.

alias_neo 8y ago

I'm honestly not sure, but the problem is compounded by a government that hasn't got the skills to negotiate the right deal, May's deal does not suit us, and ~50% of us didn't want to leave in the first place. I voted for remain, I've never sides with a need to divide and build "walls". I have my opinion on the kind of people that voted to leave, but I'm a filthy millennial, so what do I know. I should shut up and do what I'm told by the boomers and the Xers before they pop it and leave this mess to me and my children. A lot of them have complaints about what EU is doing to this country with its laws etc, but the unveiling to listen when I tell them about the laws EU has passed that have been good for us, even protected is as a people from our own government.

erinnh 8y ago
I understand you are frustrated, but I just dont understand the opinion that says that the EU is somehow punishing or making it hard for the UK during Brexit. I would really want to know what you would expect. Generally if you(as a country) decide to leave a club, you cannot keep drinking the mojitos that are available inside. There are a lot of things that came through EU membership to the UK, but these things cannot stay if the UK does not want to be inside the EU. The only way to keep some of the benefits is to negotiate with the EU. And some benefits are just not able to be separated from others. Like freedom of movement with the single market. Im interested in seeing what the UK decides to do in the next two months. What kind of consensus between the MPs is going to be found? (or maybe none at all?)
- alias_neo 8y ago
  It's just how I understand what I've been "told". From the news we get, were made to believe that certain EU states are being "hard", harder than necessary for these negotiations. Or at least that was the case a year or two ago, I've lost track of how long this debacle had been ongoing. It doesn't help that we have a government that is incapable of negotiating their way out of a paper bag. My frustrations are very little about other EU states, who I don't blame, but since our government doesn't have our best interests at heart, it'd be nice if they remembered that 50% of us didn't agree on a vote 0% of us called for in the first place. I can't see our MPs coming to an agreement, they're divided, they want May out, but there is no suitable replacement. Corbyn couldn't do a better job, his heart is in the right place but he's equally incapable of sorting this out. At this point I'm jaded by the whole thing and I see no positive outcome, every day we read about major business leeching the country, that's jobs and money leaving with them, and frankly, I don't believe 2019 Britian has a lot to offer in trade. Next our NHS will be privatised, and the best thing we'll have to offer is our lovely weather.
  - erinnh 8y ago
    I mean the EU States very much remember. I dont know of a single state that has less than said that British people that are in the EU currently are still going to be welcome after Brexit. No matter what happens with the British government. It looks like British people wont be able to freely travel inside the EU anymore after Brexit, but are free to stay indefinitely wherever they are at the point of Brexit. So the only thing I can say is, you are welcome here. If you want to come and work with us, come.