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I'm not sure that the data supports your assertion that Norway produces no innovation or competition. The country is really really small though, so in absolute

I'm not sure that the data supports your assertion that Norway produces no innovation or competition. The country is really really small though, so in absolute numbers they won't be very noticeable. Here's a nice example of where the Scandinavian countries clearly seem to have something in common: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_laureates_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_lau...

samatman 8y ago
I mean... those laureates earned them fair and square, but also, y’know. Home court advantage...
- close04 8y ago
  Don't imply something you can't support. It's either fair and square or home court advantage. Can't have both. I'm seeing a lot of "born in" (~100) next to the laureates in the US category. That doesn't diminish the achievements for US as a country.
  - samatman 8y ago
    I mean, that's straightforwardly not true. It's a sports term. In sports, when you win, you win fair and square. Also, you might have a 'home court advantage' if you're playing at home. I don't see why Nobel prizes would be any different. There are always more people who deserve a prize than receive it. So yes, you can have both.
    - close04 8y ago
      The Nobel prize is awarded for academic, cultural, or scientific advances. If at any point the decision is influenced by your nationality, birth place, eye color, or anything other than the intellectual achievements mentioned earlier than it is not fair and square. If all other things equal you get the prize for coming from a certain country it is not fair. The implication was clearly that the particular "home" advantage made the difference and without it the person wouldn't have won. And the comment sounded like "I'm not saying it was unfair but it was unfair". P.S. In sports you usually play both home and away to even out that unfair advantage. Big one time matches might even be held on neutral ground for the same reason. Let's not play on semantics here. It's common sense not to suggest something is fair but then imply someone's nationality made the difference. I'm not saying I know nationality doesn't make a difference when awarding a Nobel prize. Just that if it does, then it wasn't fair.

samatman 8y ago

I mean... those laureates earned them fair and square, but also, y’know. Home court advantage...

close04 8y ago
Don't imply something you can't support. It's either fair and square or home court advantage. Can't have both. I'm seeing a lot of "born in" (~100) next to the laureates in the US category. That doesn't diminish the achievements for US as a country.
- samatman 8y ago
  I mean, that's straightforwardly not true. It's a sports term. In sports, when you win, you win fair and square. Also, you might have a 'home court advantage' if you're playing at home. I don't see why Nobel prizes would be any different. There are always more people who deserve a prize than receive it. So yes, you can have both.
  - close04 8y ago
    The Nobel prize is awarded for academic, cultural, or scientific advances. If at any point the decision is influenced by your nationality, birth place, eye color, or anything other than the intellectual achievements mentioned earlier than it is not fair and square. If all other things equal you get the prize for coming from a certain country it is not fair. The implication was clearly that the particular "home" advantage made the difference and without it the person wouldn't have won. And the comment sounded like "I'm not saying it was unfair but it was unfair". P.S. In sports you usually play both home and away to even out that unfair advantage. Big one time matches might even be held on neutral ground for the same reason. Let's not play on semantics here. It's common sense not to suggest something is fair but then imply someone's nationality made the difference. I'm not saying I know nationality doesn't make a difference when awarding a Nobel prize. Just that if it does, then it wasn't fair.