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This news is written in a really weird way, and I can't believe that it is not intentional. Of course, if the commission is going to do it, it will explain why

by stunt 8y ago

This news is written in a really weird way, and I can't believe that it is not intentional. Of course, if the commission is going to do it, it will explain why it is required, what it is going to happen, and how is it going to happen and they will make sure nobody is harmed because of this transition. Don't be naive!

alias_neo 8y ago
You may be right, but, the more Brexit news I hear, and the more I read, the more I get the feeling that parts of Europe and the EC are making efforts to make an example of Britain. It may be that the news is following a certain rhetoric, but, it seems clear that the likes of Merkel intend to do this, she's all but said as much. My point here is that when one person is telling you they want to do harm, people will take to believing it when it's presented elsewhere. My problem with news like this, is that I see people interpreting it as "look, EC is evil and trying to screw us, we really should leave". Really, I think we should see it as, "we're leaving the EU, they're afraid others will do the same and want to use us as a deterrent".
- growlist 8y ago
  I wonder whether any other trading union in the world would act in such a tyrannical way should one of its members decide it's had enough. Hell hath no fury like the EU spurned. Reminds me of the Soviet union: 'our socialist utopia is so fantastic that we have to shoot anyone that tries to leave'.
  - Marazan 8y ago
    Imagine a country leaving a trading block and then acting suprised it doesn't get any of the benefits of being a member of the block.
  - Piskvorrr 8y ago
    Really? EU offered deal, British parliament rejected it, on A50 timeout the UK will drop out, as it is apparently trying to. If that is your idea of shooting the leavers...well...I don't think it means what you think it means. In all, I'm growing increasingly convinced this is a Monty Python sketch: "We want out!" "Ok." "Help, help, we're being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!!!"
- benj111 8y ago
  Britain is leaving, The EU is now acting in its best interests. I'm not sure you can read any more into it than that. Yes this does seem unreasonable, I can't think of any other examples where they're being unreasonable though?
  - robertony 8y ago
    I suspect that this will be rather damaging for the .eu TLD. If I were in a country that has a rise in Euroscepticism, right-wing parties while in the EU (which is pretty much most of them now); I wouldn't feel confident in getting a .eu domain and building a business on that anymore.
- erinnh 8y ago
  I see it more as "UK is leaving the EU, so they're losing all their benefits, unless specifically negotiated for".
  - alias_neo 8y ago
    That's what it should be, but it seems the EU are intentionally being difficult in negotiations. They want to make life hard for Britain so others that have been considering leaving, think again.
    - bkor 8y ago
      > That's what it should be, but it seems the EU are intentionally being difficult in negotiations. The biggest cause is that EU with 500 representing million people has a way better negotiating position. Further, UK really needs to have a deal or they'll be really bad off. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_alternative_to_a_negotiated_agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_alternative_to_a_negotiat.... UK has almost no leverage, EU does. In a negotiation you're not entitled to anything. If the cost is 1 MUSD and the seller knows you're so desperate you'll buy it for 150 MUSD then that's what the price will be (or higher). More in detail, one of the issues is the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. Meaning the Good Friday Agreement. UK wants to ignore the problem. This while Ireland has veto rights on any deal offered by the EU.
      - alias_neo 8y ago
        The Ireland problem is certainly an issue, our government also doesn't seem to be aiming for a deal that suits many of us. I'm a European, British born and bread and the Union is a good thing. I'm angry that the vote went the way it did, because my generation and our children will be picking up this mess. But I don't blame the British people, I blame our government for not educating us on what the vote meant, what the consequences were, and less forgivable, for using FUD and propoganda to sway the vote in favour of leaving.
    - erinnh 8y ago
      What would you consider "not making it difficult"?
- SeaSeaRider 8y ago
  The EU acting in a beligerent way is an admittance of weakness. If they were powerful then they we would let the UK leave with no problems.
  - Marazan 8y ago
    Leaving the EU is a problem. It is not in the EU's interest to let the UK have all the benefits of being a member without actually being a member.
    - robertony 8y ago
      Do you think it's in .eu's benefit to do this? I ask because across Europe Union there is a rise in euroscepticism and right-wing parties right now. If I was a non-UK but EU business, I may even consider moving off .eu sooner rather than later (assuming they actually did this to the UK)... If I was a new business, I'd probably avoid .eu altogether. What do you think?
  - KevanM 8y ago
    They are letting Britain leave, it's happening on the 29th March. What they are being tough on is what happens after that, because Britain is currently a big economy that EU businesses have a lot of fingers in pies in.
- bkor 8y ago
  > You may be right, but, the more Brexit news I hear, and the more I read, the more I get the feeling that parts of Europe and the EC are making efforts to make an example of Britain. If a member leaves the EU they're not getting the benefits anymore of being part of the EU. It's mainly the UK who has no idea at all at what they want. Various statements made by the EU 2 years ago still hold true. If you read UK press it seems everything is negotiable. The difference in attitude and the bad coverage by both UK press as well as UK government is pretty bad.
  - alias_neo 8y ago
    The issue, I think, irrespective of the press, is that May is not fit to negotiate a suitable deal, the people want a people's vote, because there is currently no suitable replacement.
    - midasz 8y ago
      What kind of person would be more suited to negotiate a deal? And what did the people vote for? Wasn't it just "Remain" or "Leave"? There was zero intellectual thought put into any of this. It's on the UK that this realization comes when it's inconvenient. Would the EU bend the rules if a different person was at the table? Or would they simply say the same? There is no incentive for the EU to give back / bend their rules. I don't know why people expected that.
- AnonymousPlanet 8y ago
  I got the exact opposite impression over time: so far, the EU's stance has been the more reasonable of both sides. You can't have your cake and eat it, as they say. I had actually hoped for a tougher approach, to be honest. But this would just punish the people who are most affected. And in this regard, the EU's side is, again, the more generous. E.g., most member states are putting in effort to make things as painless as they can for British expats. The British government, on the other side, is hanging them out dry.
elp 8y ago
This is most definitely not official. Until the Brexit Deal/No Deal/2nd referendum/whatever_this_week gets finalized no one is in a position to make this kind of judgement call. I also wonder how this is going to play out with the GDPR -- "We can't tell you who has eu domains in the UK because it would violate privacy laws but we are sure we have deleted them"? EURid stands to lose a fortune and the .EU domain would become pretty toxic after this so I can see some very motivated people taking every step they can to avoid this.

by stunt 8y ago

alias_neo 8y ago

You may be right, but, the more Brexit news I hear, and the more I read, the more I get the feeling that parts of Europe and the EC are making efforts to make an example of Britain. It may be that the news is following a certain rhetoric, but, it seems clear that the likes of Merkel intend to do this, she's all but said as much. My point here is that when one person is telling you they want to do harm, people will take to believing it when it's presented elsewhere. My problem with news like this, is that I see people interpreting it as "look, EC is evil and trying to screw us, we really should leave". Really, I think we should see it as, "we're leaving the EU, they're afraid others will do the same and want to use us as a deterrent".

growlist 8y ago
I wonder whether any other trading union in the world would act in such a tyrannical way should one of its members decide it's had enough. Hell hath no fury like the EU spurned. Reminds me of the Soviet union: 'our socialist utopia is so fantastic that we have to shoot anyone that tries to leave'.
- Marazan 8y ago
  Imagine a country leaving a trading block and then acting suprised it doesn't get any of the benefits of being a member of the block.
- Piskvorrr 8y ago
  Really? EU offered deal, British parliament rejected it, on A50 timeout the UK will drop out, as it is apparently trying to. If that is your idea of shooting the leavers...well...I don't think it means what you think it means. In all, I'm growing increasingly convinced this is a Monty Python sketch: "We want out!" "Ok." "Help, help, we're being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!!!"
benj111 8y ago
Britain is leaving, The EU is now acting in its best interests. I'm not sure you can read any more into it than that. Yes this does seem unreasonable, I can't think of any other examples where they're being unreasonable though?
- robertony 8y ago
  I suspect that this will be rather damaging for the .eu TLD. If I were in a country that has a rise in Euroscepticism, right-wing parties while in the EU (which is pretty much most of them now); I wouldn't feel confident in getting a .eu domain and building a business on that anymore.
erinnh 8y ago
I see it more as "UK is leaving the EU, so they're losing all their benefits, unless specifically negotiated for".
- alias_neo 8y ago
  That's what it should be, but it seems the EU are intentionally being difficult in negotiations. They want to make life hard for Britain so others that have been considering leaving, think again.
  - bkor 8y ago
    > That's what it should be, but it seems the EU are intentionally being difficult in negotiations. The biggest cause is that EU with 500 representing million people has a way better negotiating position. Further, UK really needs to have a deal or they'll be really bad off. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_alternative_to_a_negotiated_agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_alternative_to_a_negotiat.... UK has almost no leverage, EU does. In a negotiation you're not entitled to anything. If the cost is 1 MUSD and the seller knows you're so desperate you'll buy it for 150 MUSD then that's what the price will be (or higher). More in detail, one of the issues is the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. Meaning the Good Friday Agreement. UK wants to ignore the problem. This while Ireland has veto rights on any deal offered by the EU.
    - alias_neo 8y ago
      The Ireland problem is certainly an issue, our government also doesn't seem to be aiming for a deal that suits many of us. I'm a European, British born and bread and the Union is a good thing. I'm angry that the vote went the way it did, because my generation and our children will be picking up this mess. But I don't blame the British people, I blame our government for not educating us on what the vote meant, what the consequences were, and less forgivable, for using FUD and propoganda to sway the vote in favour of leaving.
  - erinnh 8y ago
    What would you consider "not making it difficult"?
SeaSeaRider 8y ago
The EU acting in a beligerent way is an admittance of weakness. If they were powerful then they we would let the UK leave with no problems.
- Marazan 8y ago
  Leaving the EU is a problem. It is not in the EU's interest to let the UK have all the benefits of being a member without actually being a member.
  - robertony 8y ago
    Do you think it's in .eu's benefit to do this? I ask because across Europe Union there is a rise in euroscepticism and right-wing parties right now. If I was a non-UK but EU business, I may even consider moving off .eu sooner rather than later (assuming they actually did this to the UK)... If I was a new business, I'd probably avoid .eu altogether. What do you think?
- KevanM 8y ago
  They are letting Britain leave, it's happening on the 29th March. What they are being tough on is what happens after that, because Britain is currently a big economy that EU businesses have a lot of fingers in pies in.
bkor 8y ago
> You may be right, but, the more Brexit news I hear, and the more I read, the more I get the feeling that parts of Europe and the EC are making efforts to make an example of Britain. If a member leaves the EU they're not getting the benefits anymore of being part of the EU. It's mainly the UK who has no idea at all at what they want. Various statements made by the EU 2 years ago still hold true. If you read UK press it seems everything is negotiable. The difference in attitude and the bad coverage by both UK press as well as UK government is pretty bad.
- alias_neo 8y ago
  The issue, I think, irrespective of the press, is that May is not fit to negotiate a suitable deal, the people want a people's vote, because there is currently no suitable replacement.
  - midasz 8y ago
    What kind of person would be more suited to negotiate a deal? And what did the people vote for? Wasn't it just "Remain" or "Leave"? There was zero intellectual thought put into any of this. It's on the UK that this realization comes when it's inconvenient. Would the EU bend the rules if a different person was at the table? Or would they simply say the same? There is no incentive for the EU to give back / bend their rules. I don't know why people expected that.
AnonymousPlanet 8y ago
I got the exact opposite impression over time: so far, the EU's stance has been the more reasonable of both sides. You can't have your cake and eat it, as they say. I had actually hoped for a tougher approach, to be honest. But this would just punish the people who are most affected. And in this regard, the EU's side is, again, the more generous. E.g., most member states are putting in effort to make things as painless as they can for British expats. The British government, on the other side, is hanging them out dry.

elp 8y ago

This is most definitely not official. Until the Brexit Deal/No Deal/2nd referendum/whatever_this_week gets finalized no one is in a position to make this kind of judgement call. I also wonder how this is going to play out with the GDPR -- "We can't tell you who has eu domains in the UK because it would violate privacy laws but we are sure we have deleted them"? EURid stands to lose a fortune and the .EU domain would become pretty toxic after this so I can see some very motivated people taking every step they can to avoid this.