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This reminds me of the best Midi sequencer in the world that is being built by Sequentix: the Cirklon (1): a no compromise hardware sequencer hand built and bui

This reminds me of the best Midi sequencer in the world that is being built by Sequentix: the Cirklon (1): a no compromise hardware sequencer hand built and built to last, with unique features. The waiting list is around 6 to 10 months! (1) https://www.sequentix.com/shop/cirklon-hardware-sequencer https://www.sequentix.com/shop/cirklon-hardware-sequencer

laumars 8y ago
I've never spent more than £150 on a MIDI controller and have taken mine on the road on many occasions for live performances too.
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- enneff 8y ago
  The Cirklon is not a midi controller, but a sequencer. There is nothing else on the market with its same feature set and build quality. It is a wonderful device and there’s a reason they are so crazily popular.
  - laumars 8y ago
    It’s still just a MIDI controller at its heart. But in any case MIDI sequencers aren’t a new thing. You could achieve the same thing with an Atari ST. Your point about build quality is the crux of the matter. These things are essentially just clocks and like with clocks you could buy a £5 budget wrist watch or a Rolex. People who wear and use their watch daily will justify the price tag of decent watch because it’s sturdier, prettier and they can afford it. But that doesn’t mean one watch tells the time differently to another. And equally a sturdier built MIDI sequencer doesn’t make a blind bit of different to the sound quality of hardware it triggers. Which was the point I (and the former poster) was making. Now I’m not criticising those who do want nice audio equipment - we do the same thing in IT with dev laptops and give a whole plethora of “reasons” why. Like I said earlier, if you’re going to use something regularly then why wouldn’t you want to use something nice?
    - enneff 8y ago
      Just because it can send MIDI messages does not make it a "MIDI controller". In fact, you can use it entirely without sending MIDI messages at all (with its control voltage interface). You're drawing a long bow. It's not just about the build quality. It's about the interface. It's a very elegant and thoughtfully designed sequencer and there's nothing else quite like it. The Rolex comparison is ridiculous, because Rolex watches don't even keep good time. They're overpriced jewellery. The Cirklon is not even expensive for what it is.
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      - laumars 8y ago
        > Just because it can send MIDI messages does not make it a "MIDI controller". Technically it does. In the very literal sense. Perhaps what you meant to say is that this is more than just a MIDI controller? In which case I'm still waiting for you to example how (without referencing "build quality", which was never in dispute). > In fact, you can use it entirely without sending MIDI messages at all (with its control voltage interface). VC is just what people used before MIDI was a thing. Does anyone actually still use VC or does this device just support it for compatibility with 40+ year old hardware? In any case, citing VC as a reason it's not a MIDI controller isn't a hugely convincing argument given the two are equatable and MIDI superseded VC decades ago. > It's not just about the build quality. It's about the interface. It's a very elegant and thoughtfully designed sequencer Personally I'd still class that as part of the built quality if you're just listing off qualities like "elegant". But I will concede that there is a lot of profession gear out there with software that would make most techies scratch their head in confusion. > and there's nothing else quite like it. But what is it about that sequencer that is so unique? I’ve not played on that device so happy to take your word for it if you had but from what I’ve seen on their blurb it doesn't sound like it offers anything I wasn't already doing on my Atari ST in the 90s - let alone any of the hardware I've owned since. Honestly, I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I fully embrace people buying nice hardware if want. And I agree that 1.5k isn't significant for high end gear. But my point was that you can accomplish the same thing for a fraction of the price (with no dip in sound quality either) if you're not fussed about build quality. You claim you couldn't - and you might be right about that. But whenever you're pressed to give examples you just keep coming back to build quality, which was the one thing that was never in question. > The Rolex comparison is ridiculous, because Rolex watches don't even keep good time. They're overpriced jewellery. I don’t buy watches so you’d have to excuse my ignorance there but I do feel you’ve completely missed the point of what an “analogy” is meant to be (ie they’re not a literal like for like in ever detail).
  - thirdsun 8y ago
    Not to discount the Cirklon, but have you seen Polyend's Seq? Always seemed like everything I'd love to find in a hardware sequencer. More info: http://polyend.com/seq-midi-sequencer/ http://polyend.com/seq-midi-sequencer/
    - enneff 8y ago
      Seq looks lovely. I'd love to try one sometime.
EADGBE 8y ago
Pssshhh. I've been waiting for a guitar effects pedal for almost 2 years at this point. Best overdrive in the world!

laumars 8y ago

I've never spent more than £150 on a MIDI controller and have taken mine on the road on many occasions for live performances too.

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enneff 8y ago
The Cirklon is not a midi controller, but a sequencer. There is nothing else on the market with its same feature set and build quality. It is a wonderful device and there’s a reason they are so crazily popular.
- laumars 8y ago
  It’s still just a MIDI controller at its heart. But in any case MIDI sequencers aren’t a new thing. You could achieve the same thing with an Atari ST. Your point about build quality is the crux of the matter. These things are essentially just clocks and like with clocks you could buy a £5 budget wrist watch or a Rolex. People who wear and use their watch daily will justify the price tag of decent watch because it’s sturdier, prettier and they can afford it. But that doesn’t mean one watch tells the time differently to another. And equally a sturdier built MIDI sequencer doesn’t make a blind bit of different to the sound quality of hardware it triggers. Which was the point I (and the former poster) was making. Now I’m not criticising those who do want nice audio equipment - we do the same thing in IT with dev laptops and give a whole plethora of “reasons” why. Like I said earlier, if you’re going to use something regularly then why wouldn’t you want to use something nice?
  - enneff 8y ago
    Just because it can send MIDI messages does not make it a "MIDI controller". In fact, you can use it entirely without sending MIDI messages at all (with its control voltage interface). You're drawing a long bow. It's not just about the build quality. It's about the interface. It's a very elegant and thoughtfully designed sequencer and there's nothing else quite like it. The Rolex comparison is ridiculous, because Rolex watches don't even keep good time. They're overpriced jewellery. The Cirklon is not even expensive for what it is.
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    - laumars 8y ago
      > Just because it can send MIDI messages does not make it a "MIDI controller". Technically it does. In the very literal sense. Perhaps what you meant to say is that this is more than just a MIDI controller? In which case I'm still waiting for you to example how (without referencing "build quality", which was never in dispute). > In fact, you can use it entirely without sending MIDI messages at all (with its control voltage interface). VC is just what people used before MIDI was a thing. Does anyone actually still use VC or does this device just support it for compatibility with 40+ year old hardware? In any case, citing VC as a reason it's not a MIDI controller isn't a hugely convincing argument given the two are equatable and MIDI superseded VC decades ago. > It's not just about the build quality. It's about the interface. It's a very elegant and thoughtfully designed sequencer Personally I'd still class that as part of the built quality if you're just listing off qualities like "elegant". But I will concede that there is a lot of profession gear out there with software that would make most techies scratch their head in confusion. > and there's nothing else quite like it. But what is it about that sequencer that is so unique? I’ve not played on that device so happy to take your word for it if you had but from what I’ve seen on their blurb it doesn't sound like it offers anything I wasn't already doing on my Atari ST in the 90s - let alone any of the hardware I've owned since. Honestly, I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I fully embrace people buying nice hardware if want. And I agree that 1.5k isn't significant for high end gear. But my point was that you can accomplish the same thing for a fraction of the price (with no dip in sound quality either) if you're not fussed about build quality. You claim you couldn't - and you might be right about that. But whenever you're pressed to give examples you just keep coming back to build quality, which was the one thing that was never in question. > The Rolex comparison is ridiculous, because Rolex watches don't even keep good time. They're overpriced jewellery. I don’t buy watches so you’d have to excuse my ignorance there but I do feel you’ve completely missed the point of what an “analogy” is meant to be (ie they’re not a literal like for like in ever detail).
- thirdsun 8y ago
  Not to discount the Cirklon, but have you seen Polyend's Seq? Always seemed like everything I'd love to find in a hardware sequencer. More info: http://polyend.com/seq-midi-sequencer/ http://polyend.com/seq-midi-sequencer/
  - enneff 8y ago
    Seq looks lovely. I'd love to try one sometime.

EADGBE 8y ago

Pssshhh. I've been waiting for a guitar effects pedal for almost 2 years at this point. Best overdrive in the world!