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Oh, it’s still catering to some industries, they’re just far less blatant about it than in America.

ramy_d 8y ago
Do you have anything to back that statement up? https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-food-guide/resources/evidence.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-food-...
- village-idiot 8y ago
  Food science in general is as corrupt as it gets, with the vast majority of research funded by and favorable to agriculture businesses. Even stuff that we take for granted as healthy, such as fruit and vegetables, often have their benefits massively overstated by the companies that stand to benefit by such proclamations of health. The area has been an absolute miserable failure in its obstensible goals, making us healthy. The western world has been pretty diligent about following the recommendations of the food scientists, especially around eliminating saturated fat, and the results have been a complete and utter disaster. Yet we continue to listen to the exact same people hashing the exact same advice as the population continues to get fatter, sicker, and die sooner.
  - hnnh44 8y ago
    If the food industry doesn't fund research, are we better off with none at all? Yes, individual vegetables and products matter relatively little compared to balanced eating. But saying this guide isn't useful is factually incorrect. Its an improvement over the previous guide. That makes it useful. It tells people to eat more veggies. That makes it useful. Unfortunately we live in a world with imperfect information and while it's not the perfect guide for everyone, no gude ever will be. The biggest issue with your rant is simply that you're complaining needlessly without offering a useful alternative. You've made some obviously incorrect statements. The fact is that people are living longer, and dying of "sicknesses" they wouldn't live long enough to reach in the past. America hasnt one so well on those metrics, but the world as a whole has significantly improved. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=World+wide+life+expectancy+trend http://lmgtfy.com/?q=World+wide+life+expectancy+trend
  - ramy_d 8y ago
    I don't understand. You're saying a diet based around fruits and vegetables is unhealthy and favourable to the agriculture business but saturated fats are ok? What a tail spin.
    - village-idiot 8y ago
      I'm not saying that fruits and vegetables are unhealthy per se, but that their benefits have been vastly overstated, especially for fruits. Triply so for juice, which is basically the same as soda. Saturated fat is good for you, the pop science you've been fed about saturated fat is complete garbage. Sure, saturated fat increases "bad" cholesterol, LDL. Unfortunately it turns out there are two types of LDL, only one of which is actually correlated with heart attacks. Turns out cutting out saturated fat from your diet might drop your LDL, but it also reduces expected lifespan. Oops! You could also take Statins for those "dangerous" levels of LDL, but it turns out they do nothing to improve your all-cause mortality stats unless if you fall within a narrow portion of the population. It's only a tailspin because you've been fed garbage information about food your whole life. But given the absolute catastrophic state of public health within the United States, I'm genuinely surprised that anyone listens to the official health guides at all.
      - ramy_d 8y ago
        > Triply so for juice, which is basically the same as soda. https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/healthy-eating-recommendations/make-water-your-drink-of-choice/sugary-drinks/ https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/healthy-eating-recommendatio... did you even read the guideline?
benj111 8y ago
Such as?
- zxcvbn4038 8y ago
  Milk is a huge deal in the US, the dairy farmers association has it engrained in every American that they need milk and only milk for calcium - never mind broccoli, almonds, figs, sardines, etc., in fact they go through great pains to not mention alternate sources of calcium. It only works because so much of the US population is lactose tolerant.
  - kcmastrpc 8y ago
    One might argue we are lactose tolerant because of the ridiculous amount of lobbying they did in the 50s and 60s.
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    Calcium in milk is also not bio-available once it’s been homogenized, because it’s stripped out of its protective fat layer and expose to lactose which binds to it in a way that humans can’t undo on our own. Milk is a fantastic source of calcium, when you don’t mess with it too much. Why wouldn’t it be? It’s evolved specifically to grow mammals up to full size as quickly as possible, which includes growing a lot of bone. The issue is that we’ve monkeyed with it in a way that’s convenient for producers, but bad for consumers.
    - benj111 8y ago
      Do you have any links? It's not a claim I've ever heard before.
      - village-idiot 8y ago
        Not a link, but a book. Deep Nutrition, by Catherine Shanahan. She cites a couple hundred studies in the book, worth a read if you’re into this stuff.
bb101 8y ago
In the Pork and apple skillet dinner[1], they recommend using canola oil, a recommendation one doesn't see all that often. With canola oil having been engineered in Canada, is it an oil of choice for Canadians? [1] https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-food-guide/tips-healthy-eating/meal-planning-cooking-healthy-choices/recipes/speedy-pork-apple-skillet-dinner.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-food-...
- freeone3000 8y ago
  I'm surprised you don't see that recommendation often. It's a very cheap, versatile cooking oil. I wouldn't say it's anyone's favourite, but it's effectively the default?
  - RugnirViking 8y ago
    No? At least where I'm from, the default is sunflower oil and if you want to upgrade its olive oil. I've never heard of canola oil
    - tom_mellior 8y ago
      FWIW, you may know it as rapeseed oil. "Canola was originally a trademark name of the Rapeseed Association of Canada, and the name was a condensation of "Can" from Canada and "ola" from other vegetable oils like Mazola,[6][7] but is now a generic term for edible varieties of rapeseed oil in North America and Australia. The change in name serves to distinguish it from natural rapeseed oil, which has much higher erucic acid content." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola_oil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola_oil
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    Because it’s awful for your health?
- lhopki01 8y ago
  All the vegetable oil I buy here in the UK is actually 100% canola oil. You have to look at the ingredients list to realise it since it's just labeled as vegetable oil.

Do you have anything to back that statement up? https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-food-guide/resources/evidence.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-food-...

village-idiot 8y ago
Food science in general is as corrupt as it gets, with the vast majority of research funded by and favorable to agriculture businesses. Even stuff that we take for granted as healthy, such as fruit and vegetables, often have their benefits massively overstated by the companies that stand to benefit by such proclamations of health. The area has been an absolute miserable failure in its obstensible goals, making us healthy. The western world has been pretty diligent about following the recommendations of the food scientists, especially around eliminating saturated fat, and the results have been a complete and utter disaster. Yet we continue to listen to the exact same people hashing the exact same advice as the population continues to get fatter, sicker, and die sooner.
- hnnh44 8y ago
  If the food industry doesn't fund research, are we better off with none at all? Yes, individual vegetables and products matter relatively little compared to balanced eating. But saying this guide isn't useful is factually incorrect. Its an improvement over the previous guide. That makes it useful. It tells people to eat more veggies. That makes it useful. Unfortunately we live in a world with imperfect information and while it's not the perfect guide for everyone, no gude ever will be. The biggest issue with your rant is simply that you're complaining needlessly without offering a useful alternative. You've made some obviously incorrect statements. The fact is that people are living longer, and dying of "sicknesses" they wouldn't live long enough to reach in the past. America hasnt one so well on those metrics, but the world as a whole has significantly improved. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=World+wide+life+expectancy+trend http://lmgtfy.com/?q=World+wide+life+expectancy+trend
- ramy_d 8y ago
  I don't understand. You're saying a diet based around fruits and vegetables is unhealthy and favourable to the agriculture business but saturated fats are ok? What a tail spin.
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    I'm not saying that fruits and vegetables are unhealthy per se, but that their benefits have been vastly overstated, especially for fruits. Triply so for juice, which is basically the same as soda. Saturated fat is good for you, the pop science you've been fed about saturated fat is complete garbage. Sure, saturated fat increases "bad" cholesterol, LDL. Unfortunately it turns out there are two types of LDL, only one of which is actually correlated with heart attacks. Turns out cutting out saturated fat from your diet might drop your LDL, but it also reduces expected lifespan. Oops! You could also take Statins for those "dangerous" levels of LDL, but it turns out they do nothing to improve your all-cause mortality stats unless if you fall within a narrow portion of the population. It's only a tailspin because you've been fed garbage information about food your whole life. But given the absolute catastrophic state of public health within the United States, I'm genuinely surprised that anyone listens to the official health guides at all.
    - ramy_d 8y ago
      > Triply so for juice, which is basically the same as soda. https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/healthy-eating-recommendations/make-water-your-drink-of-choice/sugary-drinks/ https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/healthy-eating-recommendatio... did you even read the guideline?

benj111 8y ago

Such as?

zxcvbn4038 8y ago
Milk is a huge deal in the US, the dairy farmers association has it engrained in every American that they need milk and only milk for calcium - never mind broccoli, almonds, figs, sardines, etc., in fact they go through great pains to not mention alternate sources of calcium. It only works because so much of the US population is lactose tolerant.
- kcmastrpc 8y ago
  One might argue we are lactose tolerant because of the ridiculous amount of lobbying they did in the 50s and 60s.
- village-idiot 8y ago
  Calcium in milk is also not bio-available once it’s been homogenized, because it’s stripped out of its protective fat layer and expose to lactose which binds to it in a way that humans can’t undo on our own. Milk is a fantastic source of calcium, when you don’t mess with it too much. Why wouldn’t it be? It’s evolved specifically to grow mammals up to full size as quickly as possible, which includes growing a lot of bone. The issue is that we’ve monkeyed with it in a way that’s convenient for producers, but bad for consumers.
  - benj111 8y ago
    Do you have any links? It's not a claim I've ever heard before.
    - village-idiot 8y ago
      Not a link, but a book. Deep Nutrition, by Catherine Shanahan. She cites a couple hundred studies in the book, worth a read if you’re into this stuff.

bb101 8y ago

In the Pork and apple skillet dinner[1], they recommend using canola oil, a recommendation one doesn't see all that often. With canola oil having been engineered in Canada, is it an oil of choice for Canadians? [1] https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-food-guide/tips-healthy-eating/meal-planning-cooking-healthy-choices/recipes/speedy-pork-apple-skillet-dinner.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-food-...

freeone3000 8y ago
I'm surprised you don't see that recommendation often. It's a very cheap, versatile cooking oil. I wouldn't say it's anyone's favourite, but it's effectively the default?
- RugnirViking 8y ago
  No? At least where I'm from, the default is sunflower oil and if you want to upgrade its olive oil. I've never heard of canola oil
  - tom_mellior 8y ago
    FWIW, you may know it as rapeseed oil. "Canola was originally a trademark name of the Rapeseed Association of Canada, and the name was a condensation of "Can" from Canada and "ola" from other vegetable oils like Mazola,[6][7] but is now a generic term for edible varieties of rapeseed oil in North America and Australia. The change in name serves to distinguish it from natural rapeseed oil, which has much higher erucic acid content." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola_oil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola_oil
- village-idiot 8y ago
  Because it’s awful for your health?
lhopki01 8y ago
All the vegetable oil I buy here in the UK is actually 100% canola oil. You have to look at the ingredients list to realise it since it's just labeled as vegetable oil.