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This is just the audio of the swatter though, right? I don't think there's any video of the actual incident is there? Maybe the dude didn't understand what th

This is just the audio of the swatter though, right? I don't think there's any video of the actual incident is there? Maybe the dude didn't understand what the big deal was and kept dropping his hands? Someone probably jumped the gun? I wonder if that team had non-lethal weapons and just didn't get them out. If he didn't have a firearm, a beanbag rifle could have ended this much differently.

geofft 8y ago
Also remember the case of Oscar Grant, killed by a BART cop who had a taser but used his pistol instead. One of the arguments in court was that he grabbed the wrong weapon in the heat of the moment.
- masonic 8y ago
  That would have been a possible explanation except that Grant was subdued and still by that point; there was no justifiable use for the Taser, either.
Memosyne 8y ago
The first section is just the swatter audio, but if you scroll down you'll see the police reporting on the aftermath.
Scramblejams 8y ago
Yep, there’s video. A Google search will turn it up.
Haga 8y ago
Raising you hand for a untrained person can become quite exhausting quite fast
shalmanese 8y ago
We have to get into the mindset that police reports are fundamentally untrustworthy sources of information. We have enough evidence accumulated over the years to make it abundantly clear that police reports are primarily about constructing a narrative that absolves police of culpability and secondarily about describing the true nature of an event. Police reports read individually all sound individually reasonable but read as a collective describe a world that is fantastical. For example, the number of young black men who were "reaching towards their waistbands" at the moment they get shot even though they were carrying no weapons simply beggars any rational explanation. Similarly, "put his hands back down to his waist" is another police magic phrase that is conveniently unfalsifiable and also absolves the shooting officer of any liability.
- RickJWagner 8y ago
  No, I disagree. We need to change society back to the point where people are decent and don't fool around with public resources like cops. First responders are life-saving. Mis-using them is seriously anti-social behavior. That's what needs to be changed.
  - aspaceman 8y ago
    A bunch of trigger happy folks with guns are not "first responders". Big difference between paramedics and folks who just want an excuse to shoot people.
wnevets 8y ago
>Maybe the dude didn't understand what the big deal was and kept dropping his hands? Someone probably jumped the gun? or the cops lied about what happened. Wouldn't be the first time that has happened when a cop murdered an unarmed civilian.

geofft 8y ago

Also remember the case of Oscar Grant, killed by a BART cop who had a taser but used his pistol instead. One of the arguments in court was that he grabbed the wrong weapon in the heat of the moment.

masonic 8y ago
That would have been a possible explanation except that Grant was subdued and still by that point; there was no justifiable use for the Taser, either.

Memosyne 8y ago

The first section is just the swatter audio, but if you scroll down you'll see the police reporting on the aftermath.

Scramblejams 8y ago

Yep, there’s video. A Google search will turn it up.

Haga 8y ago

Raising you hand for a untrained person can become quite exhausting quite fast

shalmanese 8y ago

We have to get into the mindset that police reports are fundamentally untrustworthy sources of information. We have enough evidence accumulated over the years to make it abundantly clear that police reports are primarily about constructing a narrative that absolves police of culpability and secondarily about describing the true nature of an event. Police reports read individually all sound individually reasonable but read as a collective describe a world that is fantastical. For example, the number of young black men who were "reaching towards their waistbands" at the moment they get shot even though they were carrying no weapons simply beggars any rational explanation. Similarly, "put his hands back down to his waist" is another police magic phrase that is conveniently unfalsifiable and also absolves the shooting officer of any liability.

RickJWagner 8y ago
No, I disagree. We need to change society back to the point where people are decent and don't fool around with public resources like cops. First responders are life-saving. Mis-using them is seriously anti-social behavior. That's what needs to be changed.
- aspaceman 8y ago
  A bunch of trigger happy folks with guns are not "first responders". Big difference between paramedics and folks who just want an excuse to shoot people.

wnevets 8y ago

>Maybe the dude didn't understand what the big deal was and kept dropping his hands? Someone probably jumped the gun? or the cops lied about what happened. Wouldn't be the first time that has happened when a cop murdered an unarmed civilian.