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What I never really understood is why does Microsoft Test Manager only come with Visual Studio Enterprise? Do only enterprises test their software?

mandeepj 8y ago
> Do only enterprises test their software? Microsoft also has operating expenses. They need to bring home some income to keep the lights on.
- Twirrim 8y ago
  Isn't that what Azure is for? Use the software as a loss leader to get them using your services, which is where you make the real ongoing money.
- achievingApathy 8y ago
  It just strikes me as an odd thing to put on a luxury tier like that. Reiterates that quality and testing is often an afterthought rather than something everyone should include. If MS wanted the revenue they would put something the most senior higher paid developers wanted rather than the testing team.
  - darkcha0s 8y ago
    You have plenty of alternatives...
    - achievingApathy 8y ago
      True, but I thought the goal of Azure DevOps was to be a complete package solution. And so while all the pipelines and code and work items are stored there, it would be a pain to keep test cases in something else. And why no integration with Excel?
harishkragarwal 8y ago
(Azure DevOps PM here) Test Manager comes with VS Enterprise, VS Test Professional, MSDN Subscriptions and is also available for direct purchase through https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms.vss-testmanager-web https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms.vss-t.... You are welcome to take your pick from what suits your needs.
- achievingApathy 8y ago
  As a subscription, it's more per month than Visual Studio Professional. As part of VS Test Professional it's almost twice as much for the first year. And you can't really do any test plans without it so its a huge part of DevOps that is just unused for us, unfortunately.

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What I never really understood is why does Microsoft Test Manager only come with Visual Studio Enterprise? Do only enterprises test their software?

by achievingApathy 8y ago

mandeepj 8y ago
> Do only enterprises test their software? Microsoft also has operating expenses. They need to bring home some income to keep the lights on.
- Twirrim 8y ago
  Isn't that what Azure is for? Use the software as a loss leader to get them using your services, which is where you make the real ongoing money.
- achievingApathy 8y ago
  It just strikes me as an odd thing to put on a luxury tier like that. Reiterates that quality and testing is often an afterthought rather than something everyone should include. If MS wanted the revenue they would put something the most senior higher paid developers wanted rather than the testing team.
  - darkcha0s 8y ago
    You have plenty of alternatives...
    - achievingApathy 8y ago
      True, but I thought the goal of Azure DevOps was to be a complete package solution. And so while all the pipelines and code and work items are stored there, it would be a pain to keep test cases in something else. And why no integration with Excel?
harishkragarwal 8y ago
(Azure DevOps PM here) Test Manager comes with VS Enterprise, VS Test Professional, MSDN Subscriptions and is also available for direct purchase through https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms.vss-testmanager-web https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms.vss-t.... You are welcome to take your pick from what suits your needs.
- achievingApathy 8y ago
  As a subscription, it's more per month than Visual Studio Professional. As part of VS Test Professional it's almost twice as much for the first year. And you can't really do any test plans without it so its a huge part of DevOps that is just unused for us, unfortunately.