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I want a source for that outrageous claim that the most environmentally damaging human endeavor is growing vegetables. I suspect you being right would turn the
by ClassyJacket 8y ago
I want a source for that outrageous claim that the most environmentally damaging human endeavor is growing vegetables. I suspect you being right would turn the world on its head.
- wstrange 8y agoNot the GP, and I don't have any conclusions in this matter - but I don't think we can outright dismiss the role of livestock in maintaining a healthy environment. For example: https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/reversing-desertification-with-livestock https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/reversing-desertification-with-l... And many vegetables are fertilized with blood meal, which comes from animals... Perhaps a more nuanced view is needed...
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- tom_mellior 8y ago> https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/reversing-desertification-with-livestock https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/reversing-desertification-with-l... That link talks about Allan Savory's work. Savory has a reeeally well-done, convincing-sounding TED talk about this. But unfortunately it looks like many people who know a lot more about this than I do disagree with pretty much everything he says: https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/04/allan-savorys-ted-talk-is-wrong-and-the-benefits-of-holistic-grazing-have-been-debunked.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/04/allan-savorys-ted-t... Also, even if keeping livestock is a good idea in some environments, that doesn't mean that farming livestock elsewhere is a similarly good idea.
- easytiger 8y agoHow many extra plants would you have to grow and use as fertilizer on plants if you didn't have animal fertilizer? Or do you want to rely on non organic farming methods for your plant only ethics based utopia?
- bildung 8y agoI think you missed that plant-based fertilization exists. How do you think the nitrogen, sulfur and phosphor got into the animals in the first place? Manure is used because it is readily available due to current livestock production, not because it's the only way to fertilize soil.
- easytiger 8y agoI see you didn't actually read the comment.
- bildung 8y agoFertilization > fertilizer. What I meant were practices like e.g. planting mustard and plowing it under between seasons.
- easytiger 8y agoYes, that's going to feed 9 billion people!
- bildung 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts#Logical_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts#Logical_f...
- easytiger 8y agoHow many extra plants would you have to grow and use as fertilizer on plants if you didn't have animal fertilizer? Or do you want to rely on non organic farming methods for your plant only ethics based utopia? - subtext that you missed is yu can't achieve the crop density with organic farming methods