I agree that morality and mortal danger have no correlation. I haven't been trying to argue that, though--if there's someplace where it seems like I was, pleas

I agree that morality and mortal danger have no correlation. I haven't been trying to argue that, though--if there's someplace where it seems like I was, please point it out so I can clarify. In your first paragraph, are you saying that a Buddha/Jesus/Gandhi is only a pacifist because he expects lesser Buddhists/Christians to defend him with violence...? Also, I doubt that Gandhi or Thich Nhat Hanh would claim that their morality decreased their risk of dying. Their point is that it doesn't change anything (for them).