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> Offering that sponsorship has very real costs to the company, well into the thousands of dollars per year. It seems perfectly reasonable to me for the employe

> Offering that sponsorship has very real costs to the company, well into the thousands of dollars per year. It seems perfectly reasonable to me for the employer to deduct that cost relative to what another employee who doesn’t bring those additional costs. Let me fix that for you: "Purchasing that slave has very real costs to the company, well into the thousands of dollars per year. It seems perfectly reasonable to me for the owner to deduct that cost relative to what another freeman who doesn’t bring those additional costs." Remember the immigrant suffers additional liabilities and risks a citizen wouldn't. The employer in this case is in a much more powerful position to keep the employee in line.

usaphp 8y ago
Slaves don't choose their job, work visa immigrants do. They know exactly what they are signing for and can always decline the offer.
- arthurcolle 8y ago
  They get taken hostage by seemingly attractive offers. Call it what you want but you're basically a slave to the corporation for the opportunity to get a VISA
- joecool1029 8y ago
  > Slaves don't choose their job, work visa immigrants do. Some slaves absolutely sell themselves into it, in other to escape poverty, debt, or war[1]. It doesn't change the fact that they do have less rights, less options, and their employer can and will abuse this as evidenced by this thread and a shitload of other HN threads. (and yes, I understand this is unpopular sentiment because the citizens want to believe they are doing a good thing and providing upward mobility and the immigrants don't want to consider themselves slaves) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_slavery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_slavery
  - walshemj 8y ago
    And the early colonisation of north America made use of indentured colonists who where early on preferred to slaves in some cases.
arachnids 8y ago
The slavery rhetoric is very commonly used to dehumanize immigrants. This makes it morally easier to justify treating then like an outgroup. Many, many people cannot afford to lose their jobs because they live paycheck to paycheck. Funny how they're never called slaves or referred to as having owners.

usaphp 8y ago

Slaves don't choose their job, work visa immigrants do. They know exactly what they are signing for and can always decline the offer.

arthurcolle 8y ago
They get taken hostage by seemingly attractive offers. Call it what you want but you're basically a slave to the corporation for the opportunity to get a VISA
joecool1029 8y ago
> Slaves don't choose their job, work visa immigrants do. Some slaves absolutely sell themselves into it, in other to escape poverty, debt, or war[1]. It doesn't change the fact that they do have less rights, less options, and their employer can and will abuse this as evidenced by this thread and a shitload of other HN threads. (and yes, I understand this is unpopular sentiment because the citizens want to believe they are doing a good thing and providing upward mobility and the immigrants don't want to consider themselves slaves) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_slavery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_slavery
- walshemj 8y ago
  And the early colonisation of north America made use of indentured colonists who where early on preferred to slaves in some cases.

arachnids 8y ago

The slavery rhetoric is very commonly used to dehumanize immigrants. This makes it morally easier to justify treating then like an outgroup. Many, many people cannot afford to lose their jobs because they live paycheck to paycheck. Funny how they're never called slaves or referred to as having owners.