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Wonderful! I was excited when they announced they had finally moved the camera to the top, and was hoping for a Dev Ed soon. Didn't expect it so quickly! Good j
by AceJohnny2 8y ago
Wonderful! I was excited when they announced they had finally moved the camera to the top, and was hoping for a Dev Ed soon. Didn't expect it so quickly! Good job Barton & team!
Weight-wise, it's under the Macbook Air... Feature-wise (and pricewise), it's closer to the MBP.
Starting weights:
* XPS13: 2.7lbs/1.23kg
* MBA: 2.75lbs/1.25kg
* MBP (13.3"): 3.02lbs/1.37kg
Screen resolution:
* XPS13: 13.3" 3840x2160 (or 1920x1080)
* MBA: 13.3" 2560x1600
* MBP: 13.3" 2560x1600
Ports:
* XPS13: 3xUSB-C 3.1 (TB3, PD, DP USB3.1 Gen??), headset, MicroSD
* MBA: 2xUSB-C 3.1 (TB3, PD, DP, USB3.1 Gen2), headset
* MBP: 4xUSB-C 3.1 (TB3, PD, DP, USB3.1 Gen2), headset
And pricing (for closest equivalent HW I could find, not quite equal, XPS with 4k screen, 8GB RAM, 256 SSD):
* XPS13: i7-8565U (GPU Intel UHD 620): $1590 (+tax)
* MBA: i5-8210Y (?) (GPU Intel UHD 617): $1400 (+tax)
* MBP (no Touch Bar): I5-7360U [1] (GPU Intel UHD 640): $1500 (+tax)
And with 16GB Ram, 512 SSD (max for XPS13):
* XPS13: $1840
* MBA: $1800
* MBP (no TB): $1900
[1] https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i5-2.3-13-mid-2017-retina-display-no-touch-bar-specs.html https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook...
- RobLach 8y agoExcellent breakdown for comparison. Thank you.
- SlowRobotAhead 8y ago>they had finally moved the camera to the top, Now I know where to put the tape! ;) For the rest of the specs, seems to make the MBA look like a pretty fair deal so long as you like the Apple ecosystem.
- gerberus 8y agoThe i5 version of the XPS is 70% faster than the i5 in the MBA (8250u vs 8210y) so it seems you are getting a whole lot more for your money in the XPS (or even the MBP)
- Scaevolus 8y agoXPS13 i7-8565U is a 15W part running 4C/8T @ 1.8-4.6GHz, MBA i5-8210Y is a 7W part running 2C/4T @ 1.6-3.6GHz. That's a significant performance difference.
- cpmsmith 8y agoA 4K 13-inch display feels like absurd overkill to me. Am I in the minority on that?
- bdcravens 8y agoI would agree, though running it in FHD should be much sharper than a lower density screen.
- hellcow 8y agoAgreed. I would have preferred a 2K screen, but I needed the better specs of the 4K model, and in practice having 4K didn't affect me. With TLP I get 8-10 hours of battery life on Ubuntu with the 4K display, and Ubuntu/Gnome handles the high DPI well. What does affect me is the glossy display...
- mikekchar 8y agoDo you actually get 8-10 hours of working battery life with that? If so, that's amazing to me. What do you use for backlight percentage?
- hellcow 8y agoYup. Thanks to TLP I have 9 hours and 35 minutes left at the moment (88% battery) with 70% screen brightness, bluetooth and wifi enabled, several local dev servers running light workloads, and Firefox, Slack, Libreoffice and various other smaller apps open.
- apcragg 8y agoI have the older 13" 3200x1800 screen and it is amazing. I put Ubuntu 18.04 on it since it wasn't available as a developer edition. The display scaling is my only problem but that's more a gnome thing. Running it with Windows was a almost perfect (why, Xilinx can you not do display scaling...). I thought I wouldn't notice the extra resolution due to the small screen but it both looks really nice for text and allows me to scale everything slightly smaller so that I can fit more on my screen for productivity. That being said, I use it as a laptop, on my lap. The extra resolution is pretty useless if I'm using it on a desk or table. But for that I have an XPS15 + 27" 4K setup.
- b3b0p 8y agoIt's a good comparison, but I feel the best comparison is not to a MacBook Pro or Air, but to the Thinkpad X1 Carbon or X280. I haven't used either the Dell, Thinkpad, or the MacBook Air, but I do have the MacBook Pro. I'm mostly concerned about build quality. My experience with Dell is they feel cheap while my last Thinkpad was a tank and I miss it (I ran FreeBSD on it) and loved the nub and keyboard and overall feel.
- chappi42 8y agoI leaned to the Thinkpad X1 Carbon initially but then bought the T480s (i5, 16 GB/24 GB later, 1 TB). Works nicely (so far;)). The XPS 13 is certainly a nice machine also.
- krn 8y agoI agree. Dell XPS 13 is a direct competitor to Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon[1], and is inferior in almost every way (build quality, port selection, keyboard, and screen). In my opinion, Macbooks stand on their own: you either want MacOS with the entire Apple's ecosystem, or you don't. [1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-2018-matte-WQHD-i7-Laptop-Review.396706.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-2018...
- chappi42 8y ago...or you want no longer due to keyboard etc. and have the option to move (to Linux).
- Ayyar 8y agoMacbook Pro to X1 Carbon convert. I could not disagree more with you as a developer. - The X1 Carbon lets me use Nvidia GPUs using an eGPU. - It has a much, much better keyboard. On my MBP, I hit this problem: https://youtu.be/4QDsqWkUvXQ https://youtu.be/4QDsqWkUvXQ - The high end models don't force you to get a touchbar. - I love having more port diversity and number of slots vs. the MBP. No dongle life for me. - As an added bonus, I got the X1 Carbon Yoga, which has an OLED display. The display is gorgeous with fabulously dark blacks. The one thing that I miss from the Macbook pro is it has a much better trackpad. But overall, I am very happy with the switch, and it's overly simplistic to just say "Macbooks stand on their own". Though overall, I couldn't be happier with the switch.
- zapnuk 8y agoGerman prices are (512GB SSD, 16GB Ram, i7, UDH): * XPS13 - Ubuntu: 1599€ / 1819$ * XPS13 - Windows: 1729€ / 1967$ * MBA - i5 - 2089€ / 2377$ * MBP - i5 - 2489€ / 2832$ * MBP - i7 - 2849€ / 3242$ Entry models (256GB, 8GB, i5): * XPS13 - Ubuntu - HD : 1289€ / 1467$, has a i7 instead of an i5 !?! * XPS13 - Windows - HD: 1309€ / 1490$ * XPS13 - Windows - UHD: 1479€ / 1683$ * MBA - i5 - 1599€ / 1820$ * MBP - i5 - 1999€ / 2275$ * MBP - i7 - 2359€ / 2685$ I noticed that dell doesn't offer customization. They have many different configurations but some combinations are missing e.g. no 256-16-UHD option. That being said I find it difficult to rationalize Apple's prices. I'd like to replace my ancient MBA but I'm not willing to pay 400€ for their new MBA, just to get an inferior CPU. Not to mention the huge price difference for higher-end configurations. I'd be very interested how well dell notebooks last - do they have similar 'design flaws' as the current gen Apple notebooks (keyboard, display cable)?
- tinus_hn 8y agoHow is it possible in Germany the Macbook Pro is 50% more expensive than the XPS13, while the parent has the Macbook Pro cheaper than the XPS13? Are you looking at the same thing?
- akoncius 8y agokeep in mind that in eu usually people are getting prices after import tax, vat tax. AFAIK US prices everywhere are listed before taxes.
- Macha 8y agoTax on a Dell laptop (manufactured in China, sold by a US company) is not different to tax on an Apple laptop (manufactured in China, sold by a US company)
- vinay427 8y agoTo clarify, US prices include import tariffs and all other federal taxes, but not state taxes (sales tax, CA recycling fee when applicable, etc.).
- fdm 8y agoMBP with no Touch Bar only has two USB ports. More importantly though, the XPS13 has a quad-core CPU, while the others are only dual-core.
- claytonjy 8y agoGreat, effort-intensive comment. I was starting to regret my recent-ish purchase of a System76...until I saw even this new XPS maxed out at 16Gib. I specifically bought my Galaga Pro because it was the only 32GiB + matte-screen (well, not _that_ matte) laptop I could find, though it was a bit more expensive than this new XPS. If you're looking, I think its great, though one big bummer is there's no good dock (single-connection, 2x2k displayport out), in part because its USB-C can't charge it. I literally have 6 things I plug into it at work each morning (power, keyboard, mouse, headphones, HDMI monitor, miniDP monitor). Some docks would cut that down, but I feel like if I can't get down to 1 it's not worth it.
- analognoise 8y agoI bought a System76 with a stuck pixel. It never went away, and they wouldn't do anything about it. I've never bought anything from them since.
- Daneel_ 8y agoFor what it's worth, the T-Series Lenovo laptops can take 32GB and have matte screen options. I'm using a W-series at the moment that has a matte screen, and it can take 64GB, with the latest one taking up to 128. The W-series isn't nearly as sleek as the XPS, although the T-series ones are looking pretty good these days!
- MisterOctober 8y agoT-series are great machines. Even the old T520 can do 16gb, which is pretty good for a unit you can get under $200
- weitzj 8y agoBe aware: only the T series without the ‘s’, e.g.: T450 (has 2 dimm slots) but not T450s (smaller, has 1 dimm slot + 1 soldered module) 4= display size (14’) 5= cpu generation (here: Broadwell) So an equivalent to the new XPS would be a T480 T480s Thunderbolt is only available from T470 onwards (not in the x270) The Reddit ThinkPad forum is your friend here.
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- awongh 8y agonice comparison. I am waiting for the right time to buy an ubuntu laptop, but it still seems like a MBP is the better choice. You're just much less likely to run into some weird hardware driver issue. I guess it used to be quite a bit cheaper to get a non-apple laptop, but it seems like the other companies have figured out that you can charge more for a "premium" product..... Looking at the above comparison, price would not be a differentiator for me. ( Do I really care about what amounts to a ~$300 price difference if we were looking at literally same specs? ) It's too bad because I'd love for there to be a real, price conscious alternative to an apple laptop, but that doesn't seem to be the way the industry is going. It seems like every year dell and lenovo creep closer to apple pricing.
- bhhaskin 8y agoI have the last gen non-developer xps 13 running Ubuntu. No driver issues what so ever. Honestly most of the hardware are pretty standard these days.
- abrookewood 8y agoI have the latest XPS13 and they really are great machines. We also have the older XPS 15, but it feels noticeably heavier, bulkier and seems to have some stability issues. Also worth looking at the Lenovo X1. Similarly light and powerful. Edit: My only complaint with the XPS13 is the ports ... it's definitely one short (power, monitor, USB peripherals) which forces you to get the expensive dock. Not cool.
- jsingleton 8y agoI'm not bothered about the bottom camera as I don't use it. The specs are pretty good otherwise if you max it out. However, the battery life is terrible after upgrading Ubuntu LTS from 16 to 18 as it doesn't sleep properly. I wrote a more detailed review of it here (2018 version, not the new one just released): https://unop.uk/dell-xps-13-ubuntu-review/ https://unop.uk/dell-xps-13-ubuntu-review/
- Nursie 8y agoWeight-wise I've been interested in the Asus Zenbook S range recently. Similar specs to the XPS13 and weighing in at around 1KG. But for some reason Asus don't sell the 16GB models in the UK :/ The MBA is a weird machine, to me, as it's almost as heavy and almost as expensive as the Pro, with far worse specs.
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