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It's a mixed bag. There are projects in ICE that are necessary, and there are people administering programs where children are separated from their parents and

by dbt00 8y ago

It's a mixed bag. There are projects in ICE that are necessary, and there are people administering programs where children are separated from their parents and thrown in cages. If you want nuance, fine. But ignoring the evil they're doing because other parts of the org aren't doing evil isn't really the standard of behavior we should have for our (my? I'm assuming about you) government.

m0zg 8y ago
It's my government, too. I'm a naturalized citizen, so you're assuming correctly. But please, can we stop the "cages" propaganda? Those photos were from the Obama years and they were debunked again and again ad nauseam. https://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-2014-photos-explained-2018-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-20...
- rhcom2 8y ago
  That article is just debunking the use of specific photos. Further in the article it explains conditions are virtually the same but now include children separated from parents. > Though the photos are nearly identical to those from 2014, there is one key difference between them: the 2014 photos showed only children who arrived at the border unaccompanied. The 2018 photos also show families that have been separated from one another.
  - m0zg 8y ago
    Yes, generally when you go to jail you should expect to be separated from your children. That's how jails work. Children, by definition, don't go to jail. So unless you're suggesting sending people back without a court hearing (which as of today would be illegal), or jailing the children along with parents, or releasing them into the US, I see a dearth of available options.
    - rhcom2 8y ago
      I wasn't commenting on the options and treatment of asylum seekers to the US, I was pointing out that your own article shows it isn't ""cages" propaganda" and hasn't been "debunked". The separation part for families is not to be expected because, like the article you posted mentioned, it is unique to this administration.

by dbt00 8y ago

m0zg 8y ago

It's my government, too. I'm a naturalized citizen, so you're assuming correctly. But please, can we stop the "cages" propaganda? Those photos were from the Obama years and they were debunked again and again ad nauseam. https://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-2014-photos-explained-2018-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-20...

rhcom2 8y ago
That article is just debunking the use of specific photos. Further in the article it explains conditions are virtually the same but now include children separated from parents. > Though the photos are nearly identical to those from 2014, there is one key difference between them: the 2014 photos showed only children who arrived at the border unaccompanied. The 2018 photos also show families that have been separated from one another.
- m0zg 8y ago
  Yes, generally when you go to jail you should expect to be separated from your children. That's how jails work. Children, by definition, don't go to jail. So unless you're suggesting sending people back without a court hearing (which as of today would be illegal), or jailing the children along with parents, or releasing them into the US, I see a dearth of available options.
  - rhcom2 8y ago
    I wasn't commenting on the options and treatment of asylum seekers to the US, I was pointing out that your own article shows it isn't ""cages" propaganda" and hasn't been "debunked". The separation part for families is not to be expected because, like the article you posted mentioned, it is unique to this administration.