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I can somewhat understand glossy on a desktop display where you at least have a decent chance of some control over the lighting. However on a laptop it seems s

by sliken 8y ago

I can somewhat understand glossy on a desktop display where you at least have a decent chance of some control over the lighting. However on a laptop it seems silly. Last thing I want to see in my new expensive screen is my ugly mug reflected back at me.

coldtea 8y ago
Most laptops are sitting in either desktops or places like airports coffee shops. In all three places you can move it easily (and it being a laptop makes moving it even easier). Hundreds of thousands of developers have MBPr's which are glossy only.
- mbrumlow 8y ago
  > Hundreds of thousands of developers have MBPr's which are glossy only. The number of people doing something does not strengthen your argument. Even more so given that Apple does not offer matte displays.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    >The number of people doing something does not strengthen your argument. Actually it very much does, it just depends on the nature of the argument. Here it's very relevant. It's not silly to put a glossy screen on a laptop if tons of people buy it -- and even prefer it.
    - mbrumlow 8y ago
      You can only develop IOS apps on Apple products, apple does not offer a matte display. The argument only holds true if Apple offered a matte display and developers still chose glossy. No for sure there are people who want MacOS -- but again those people don't have a choice if they want a Apple they get gloss. So the argument does not hold. People buy apple despite glossy screens, not because of glossy screens.
      - coldtea 8y ago
        >You can only develop IOS apps on Apple products, apple does not offer a matte display. The argument only holds true if Apple offered a matte display and developers still chose glossy. Or if the iOS thing is a red herring, and tons of developers still buy Apple products regardless. I'm not an iOS/macOS developer and still use Apple products (and just about everybody else in my company). And in most dev conferences for totally unrelated stuff (Golang, Rust, Java, etc.) the number of MBP yielding devs is 50% or most (and most of the speakers even more so).
        mbrumlow 8y ago
        But you are missing the Apple does not offer a matte. So if you decide you like the rest of the hardware and OS you have no choice. If apple offered a matte MBP then you would have numbers that could mean something. You have many users using glossy displays because that is all that apple offers. It does not mean they actually prefer glossy screens. I remember when apple stopped offering matte and TONS of people were outraged.
        coldtea 8y ago
        >If apple offered a matte MBP then you would have numbers that could mean something. They did offer a matte and glossy option and some point, and moved on to glossy only. Safe to assume the buyers have spoken?
        mbrumlow 8y ago
        It's cute that you think that is how apple works. There was a huge backlash. People hates it. Apple pushed forward anyways. They knew they had a monopoly on Apple hardware and the iPhone would ensure they could make silly decisions without backlash. Has the market spoken about removing evey single port from their laptops ? Donglegate ? There are many other things apple did that people have been very vocal about.
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- rlonstein 8y ago
  > Hundreds of thousands of developers have MBPr's which are glossy only. also billions of flies can't be wrong about dung. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/40/Appeal-to-Popularity https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla...
  - coldtea 8y ago
    >also billions of flies can't be wrong about dung. And they aren't: dang is nutricious and very beneficial to flies, they are right to consume it. >https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/40/Appeal-to-Popularity* https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla... That's irrelevant, as what matters here is what makes sense for a company to offer -- not what someone thinks is "better" for themselves. And that's a popularity metric.
- mixmastamyk 8y ago
  > Hundreds of thousands of developers have MBPr's which are glossy only. They have a coating to reduce glare. Consider them half glossy/matte.
humblebee 8y ago
I see it in the opposite way. A laptop with a glossy screen can be re-positioned to avoid strange lighting. While my desk, and my monitor have little mobility. When the sun comes down I like my matte desktop screen because it does not reflect any sun that might be coming in from the windows.

by sliken 8y ago

coldtea 8y ago

Most laptops are sitting in either desktops or places like airports coffee shops. In all three places you can move it easily (and it being a laptop makes moving it even easier). Hundreds of thousands of developers have MBPr's which are glossy only.

mbrumlow 8y ago
> Hundreds of thousands of developers have MBPr's which are glossy only. The number of people doing something does not strengthen your argument. Even more so given that Apple does not offer matte displays.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >The number of people doing something does not strengthen your argument. Actually it very much does, it just depends on the nature of the argument. Here it's very relevant. It's not silly to put a glossy screen on a laptop if tons of people buy it -- and even prefer it.
  - mbrumlow 8y ago
    You can only develop IOS apps on Apple products, apple does not offer a matte display. The argument only holds true if Apple offered a matte display and developers still chose glossy. No for sure there are people who want MacOS -- but again those people don't have a choice if they want a Apple they get gloss. So the argument does not hold. People buy apple despite glossy screens, not because of glossy screens.
    - coldtea 8y ago
      >You can only develop IOS apps on Apple products, apple does not offer a matte display. The argument only holds true if Apple offered a matte display and developers still chose glossy. Or if the iOS thing is a red herring, and tons of developers still buy Apple products regardless. I'm not an iOS/macOS developer and still use Apple products (and just about everybody else in my company). And in most dev conferences for totally unrelated stuff (Golang, Rust, Java, etc.) the number of MBP yielding devs is 50% or most (and most of the speakers even more so).
      - mbrumlow 8y ago
        But you are missing the Apple does not offer a matte. So if you decide you like the rest of the hardware and OS you have no choice. If apple offered a matte MBP then you would have numbers that could mean something. You have many users using glossy displays because that is all that apple offers. It does not mean they actually prefer glossy screens. I remember when apple stopped offering matte and TONS of people were outraged.
        coldtea 8y ago
        >If apple offered a matte MBP then you would have numbers that could mean something. They did offer a matte and glossy option and some point, and moved on to glossy only. Safe to assume the buyers have spoken?
        mbrumlow 8y ago
        It's cute that you think that is how apple works. There was a huge backlash. People hates it. Apple pushed forward anyways. They knew they had a monopoly on Apple hardware and the iPhone would ensure they could make silly decisions without backlash. Has the market spoken about removing evey single port from their laptops ? Donglegate ? There are many other things apple did that people have been very vocal about.
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rlonstein 8y ago
> Hundreds of thousands of developers have MBPr's which are glossy only. also billions of flies can't be wrong about dung. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/40/Appeal-to-Popularity https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla...
- coldtea 8y ago
  >also billions of flies can't be wrong about dung. And they aren't: dang is nutricious and very beneficial to flies, they are right to consume it. >https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/40/Appeal-to-Popularity* https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla... That's irrelevant, as what matters here is what makes sense for a company to offer -- not what someone thinks is "better" for themselves. And that's a popularity metric.
mixmastamyk 8y ago
> Hundreds of thousands of developers have MBPr's which are glossy only. They have a coating to reduce glare. Consider them half glossy/matte.

humblebee 8y ago

I see it in the opposite way. A laptop with a glossy screen can be re-positioned to avoid strange lighting. While my desk, and my monitor have little mobility. When the sun comes down I like my matte desktop screen because it does not reflect any sun that might be coming in from the windows.