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I know for a fact that Indiana is a state that cannot put membership barriers on alcohol. I first saw a sign declaration in Sams Club stating that. When I went

I know for a fact that Indiana is a state that cannot put membership barriers on alcohol. I first saw a sign declaration in Sams Club stating that. When I went to the front desk, it was much gnashing of teeth to get the manual override for "alcohol exception". And then they demanded I do the mandatory member search. Members agree to. I'm not a member. I dont consent to searches. Maybe it makes me an asshole ; they're free to make it truly member only by removing alcohol. And also as another note, any alcohol sales in Indiana must be offered to all legal-to-purchase people. You cannot say "10% off with a kroger card". That's just as illegal as requiring a membership card.

RandomTisk 8y ago
What is a "mandatory member search"?
- logfromblammo 8y ago
  The receipt check is the mildest version of it. They can search your cart, and potentially also your person, for store items that you haven't paid for. If you are not a member, you have not consented to it, and the transfer of ownership already occurred at the point of sale. So you can walk past the exit line and right out the doors. Attempting to hold you in the store against your will could be considered kidnapping.
  - gibybo 8y ago
    Doesn't Walmart do this without a membership? How do they get away with it?
    - wlesieutre 8y ago
      (Disclaimer: not a lawyer) Walmart might tell you not to leave, but legally speaking they probably don’t have grounds to stop you from leaving, and it may in fact be illegal for them to try. Some states have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopkeeper's_privilege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopkeeper's_privilege But that still requires cause to believe you stole something, and as far as I understand it, declining to be searched on its own doesn’t provide cause for that. Costco has a membership agreement where you consent to being searched, Walmart does not.
      - kough 8y ago
        I have a friend who used to load up shopping carts with cases of beer and then slowly roll out of Walmart back when he was underage. They're not legally allowed to stop him and corporate policy is to avoid chasing down thefts. Do with this information what you will.
    - schaefer 8y ago
      when they ask - you say "no, thank you". They get away with it by training the vast majority to consent for no particular reason.
      - gnicholas 8y ago
        Where I shop (Redwood City and Mountain View) the receipt check lines are long and clog the exit. There's no way to bypass them unless you don't have a cart.
      - __david__ 8y ago
        That's always my technique at stores that try that (aside from CostCo). The nice part is that they really aren't used to people saying that (especially if you say it very pleasantly, as if they had offered you something) and will often stare at you with a "deer in the headlights" look. The worst that's ever happened was that I once had a Best Buy guard yell at me and start trying to chase me out into the parking lot, but I just ignored him and he eventually gave up and went back. Flaunting fake authority like that makes me very happy for some reason.

RandomTisk 8y ago

What is a "mandatory member search"?

logfromblammo 8y ago
The receipt check is the mildest version of it. They can search your cart, and potentially also your person, for store items that you haven't paid for. If you are not a member, you have not consented to it, and the transfer of ownership already occurred at the point of sale. So you can walk past the exit line and right out the doors. Attempting to hold you in the store against your will could be considered kidnapping.
- gibybo 8y ago
  Doesn't Walmart do this without a membership? How do they get away with it?
  - wlesieutre 8y ago
    (Disclaimer: not a lawyer) Walmart might tell you not to leave, but legally speaking they probably don’t have grounds to stop you from leaving, and it may in fact be illegal for them to try. Some states have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopkeeper's_privilege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopkeeper's_privilege But that still requires cause to believe you stole something, and as far as I understand it, declining to be searched on its own doesn’t provide cause for that. Costco has a membership agreement where you consent to being searched, Walmart does not.
    - kough 8y ago
      I have a friend who used to load up shopping carts with cases of beer and then slowly roll out of Walmart back when he was underage. They're not legally allowed to stop him and corporate policy is to avoid chasing down thefts. Do with this information what you will.
  - schaefer 8y ago
    when they ask - you say "no, thank you". They get away with it by training the vast majority to consent for no particular reason.
    - gnicholas 8y ago
      Where I shop (Redwood City and Mountain View) the receipt check lines are long and clog the exit. There's no way to bypass them unless you don't have a cart.
    - __david__ 8y ago
      That's always my technique at stores that try that (aside from CostCo). The nice part is that they really aren't used to people saying that (especially if you say it very pleasantly, as if they had offered you something) and will often stare at you with a "deer in the headlights" look. The worst that's ever happened was that I once had a Best Buy guard yell at me and start trying to chase me out into the parking lot, but I just ignored him and he eventually gave up and went back. Flaunting fake authority like that makes me very happy for some reason.