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> they cannot do what an LCD viewfinder can do which is to say completely "demo" what the final picture will look like (i.e. show the results of shutter speed a

> they cannot do what an LCD viewfinder can do which is to say completely "demo" what the final picture will look like (i.e. show the results of shutter speed and ISO settings). I’m definitely not talking about an overlay. I’m talking live full demo view on the LCD screen. The mirror is “locked up” when the LCD screen is on and you get a preview of what the end result photo would be just like you describe isn’t possible. From Wikipedia[0], here’s a list of the first model supporting live view of each respective series: Canon: 20Da, 40D, 450D, 1000D, 1D Mark III, 5D Mark II, 6D Mark II, 7D Fujifilm: FinePix S3 Pro, FinePix IS Pro Leica: Digilux 3 Nikon: D90, D300, D700, D3 Olympus: E-10, E-330, E-30, E-3 Panasonic: DMC-L1 Pentax: K20D, K-7, K-x Samsung: GX-20 Sony: A300, A350, A500, A55, and A77 As most of those cameras were released ~10 years ago and as the Wikipedia article indicates “there is no product line in which live preview has been abandoned after being introduced”, there are now probably almost a hundred models of dSLRs with live preview functionality, if not more. In fact, that article goes on to state: > and almost all new DSLRs have had the feature since mid-2008 [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_preview https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_preview

Someone1234 8y ago
Which is completely off-topic. The discussion is Viewfinders. Even your own reply above referenced Viewfinders specifically: > There’s plenty of dSLRs with digital viewfinders A digital Viewfinder actually has an LCD (or other type of digital display) within the Viewfinder assembly itself. It has nothing to do with the rear/main display at all. Your other reply makes me think you don't know what the Viewfinder is. So here's some references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viewfinder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viewfinder https://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/50028/whats-the-proper-name-for-the-eye-viewfinder https://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/50028/whats-the-pr...
- pbalau 8y ago
  To be pedantic, the topic started about "wayfinders". But that shows I'm an idiot, so let's not talk about that
- jsjohnst 8y ago
  Many mirrorless cameras only have an LCD screen, so are we saying they don’t have a viewfinder? The context wasn’t your pedantic view of what a viewfinder is, the context was comparing mirrorless cameras to dSLR cameras. I have clearly laid out a case why OPs critique of dSLRs only having optical viewfinders (which they called “analog”) is misguided with extensive examples and a solid basis for my claim. The fact you are so focused on your definition of a single word shows you are trying to “win” the debate rather than be factual and genuine, so I’ll say have a “great day!” and continue on with my life.
  - Someone1234 8y ago
    > Many mirrorless cameras only have an LCD screen, so are we saying they don’t have a viewfinder? Yes. That's what everyone says, manufacturers, retailers, and customers. Take for example this comparison chart on Olympus' website. Note some cameras, with a rear display have no Viewfinder listed where there is none: https://www.getolympus.com/us/en/pen#products-table-1 https://www.getolympus.com/us/en/pen#products-table-1 They call the rear screen the "monitor." Which seems fine, but I've also read it called the rear display, main display, preview screen, and so on. > The context wasn’t your pedantic view of what a viewfinder is If I call an apple an "apple," that isn't a pedantic view, that's the name of the object. If I call a Viewfinder a "Viewfinder" that is no less a pedantic view, and instead the name of thing we're discussing. In general you obviously misunderstood what the word viewfinder meant, and went off on a rant that didn't make a whole lot of sense as a result. I'd suggest you go try a mirrorless camera with a digital viewfinder and report back when you have the prerequisite knowledge for this topic.
    - jsjohnst 8y ago
      > I'd suggest you go try a mirrorless camera with a digital viewfinder and report back when you have the prerequisite knowledge for this topic. I own two of them. I also own a bunch of dSLRs too. I also am a professional photographer with decades of experience with camera gear. I’d suggest you not assume things about others without having sufficient context, but at least you’ve now proven my assumption about you was warranted, despite not having enough perspective to prove it before.

Someone1234 8y ago

Which is completely off-topic. The discussion is Viewfinders. Even your own reply above referenced Viewfinders specifically: > There’s plenty of dSLRs with digital viewfinders A digital Viewfinder actually has an LCD (or other type of digital display) within the Viewfinder assembly itself. It has nothing to do with the rear/main display at all. Your other reply makes me think you don't know what the Viewfinder is. So here's some references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viewfinder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viewfinder https://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/50028/whats-the-proper-name-for-the-eye-viewfinder https://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/50028/whats-the-pr...

pbalau 8y ago
To be pedantic, the topic started about "wayfinders". But that shows I'm an idiot, so let's not talk about that
jsjohnst 8y ago
Many mirrorless cameras only have an LCD screen, so are we saying they don’t have a viewfinder? The context wasn’t your pedantic view of what a viewfinder is, the context was comparing mirrorless cameras to dSLR cameras. I have clearly laid out a case why OPs critique of dSLRs only having optical viewfinders (which they called “analog”) is misguided with extensive examples and a solid basis for my claim. The fact you are so focused on your definition of a single word shows you are trying to “win” the debate rather than be factual and genuine, so I’ll say have a “great day!” and continue on with my life.
- Someone1234 8y ago
  > Many mirrorless cameras only have an LCD screen, so are we saying they don’t have a viewfinder? Yes. That's what everyone says, manufacturers, retailers, and customers. Take for example this comparison chart on Olympus' website. Note some cameras, with a rear display have no Viewfinder listed where there is none: https://www.getolympus.com/us/en/pen#products-table-1 https://www.getolympus.com/us/en/pen#products-table-1 They call the rear screen the "monitor." Which seems fine, but I've also read it called the rear display, main display, preview screen, and so on. > The context wasn’t your pedantic view of what a viewfinder is If I call an apple an "apple," that isn't a pedantic view, that's the name of the object. If I call a Viewfinder a "Viewfinder" that is no less a pedantic view, and instead the name of thing we're discussing. In general you obviously misunderstood what the word viewfinder meant, and went off on a rant that didn't make a whole lot of sense as a result. I'd suggest you go try a mirrorless camera with a digital viewfinder and report back when you have the prerequisite knowledge for this topic.
  - jsjohnst 8y ago
    > I'd suggest you go try a mirrorless camera with a digital viewfinder and report back when you have the prerequisite knowledge for this topic. I own two of them. I also own a bunch of dSLRs too. I also am a professional photographer with decades of experience with camera gear. I’d suggest you not assume things about others without having sufficient context, but at least you’ve now proven my assumption about you was warranted, despite not having enough perspective to prove it before.