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Does the order of causality matter (either legally or ethically)? What I mean to say is, the article suggests that Oracle hired women and minorities to "funnel

Does the order of causality matter (either legally or ethically)? What I mean to say is, the article suggests that Oracle hired women and minorities to "funnel" them into low paying jobs. What if they set a very low wage and only minorities and foreign students were willing to accept those rates. Would that be just as bad? The difference of course is that the former is a critique of Oracle whereas the latter is a critique of the industry. This wording struck me as odd: Oracle “impermissibly denies equal employment opportunity to non-Asian applicants for employment, strongly preferring a workforce that it can later underpay. Once employed, women, Blacks and Asians are systematically underpaid relative to their peers,” the complaint alleges. Does that mean that people don't know the compensation associated with the position during the hiring negotiation?

commandlinefan 8y ago
I'm too cynical to see this as anything more than the first move by the tech companies themselves to push down waged for everybody in tech. Whether underrepresented minorities are being underpaid or not the net result of all of this will end up being everybody being paid less rather than a few people being paid more.
- fucking_tragedy 8y ago
  > I'm too cynical to see this as anything more than the first move by the tech companies themselves to push down waged for everybody in tech What do you mean by first move? Google, Apple, Intel, Pixar, Adobe, Lucasfilm, eBay and Intuit were all found guilty of colluding to keep engineer compensation low[1][2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_Litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... [2] http://fortune.com/2015/09/03/koh-anti-poach-order/ http://fortune.com/2015/09/03/koh-anti-poach-order/
da_chicken 8y ago
> What if they set a very low wage and only minorities and foreign students were willing to accept those rates. That is literally what the trial is intended to determine. E: Clarity

commandlinefan 8y ago

I'm too cynical to see this as anything more than the first move by the tech companies themselves to push down waged for everybody in tech. Whether underrepresented minorities are being underpaid or not the net result of all of this will end up being everybody being paid less rather than a few people being paid more.

fucking_tragedy 8y ago
> I'm too cynical to see this as anything more than the first move by the tech companies themselves to push down waged for everybody in tech What do you mean by first move? Google, Apple, Intel, Pixar, Adobe, Lucasfilm, eBay and Intuit were all found guilty of colluding to keep engineer compensation low[1][2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_Litigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... [2] http://fortune.com/2015/09/03/koh-anti-poach-order/ http://fortune.com/2015/09/03/koh-anti-poach-order/

da_chicken 8y ago

> What if they set a very low wage and only minorities and foreign students were willing to accept those rates. That is literally what the trial is intended to determine. E: Clarity