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Fact is might makes right and then you make up bullshit to justify it. See human rights. It's not like any of this is over, it's just convenient to talk about s

Fact is might makes right and then you make up bullshit to justify it. See human rights. It's not like any of this is over, it's just convenient to talk about stuff that we've already done than talk about the stuff that we're doing so as to seem as we've progressed and are so much better than we used to be. Most of our culture and technology is not sustainable... The way primitive people were living would allow them to live on the planet until an asteroid came and wiped them out, which could be millions of years. The way we're living will probably see us go extinct in the next 10,000 years.

dragontamer 8y ago
The Myth of the noble savage is also propagated by our culture. Its just that, a myth. If you look at truly historical documents, such as Lewis and Clark's expedition, you'd learn that Native Americans killed Buffalo to an incredible degree. Read May 29, 1805: https://lewisandclarkjournals.unl.edu/item/lc.jrn.1805-05-29 https://lewisandclarkjournals.unl.edu/item/lc.jrn.1805-05-29 > [T]oday we passed on the Stard. side the remains of a vast many mangled carcases of Buffalow which had been driven over a precipice of 120 feet by the Indians and perished; the water appeared to have washed away a part of this immence pile of slaughter and still their remained the fragments of at least a hundred carcases they created a most horrid stench The natives would slaughter the ENTIRE HERD at a time, in this case by scaring them off a 120-foot cliff. The natives wouldn't eat all of them, it was more important to kill all the buffalo so that no survivor could teach their friends how to avoid the kill move. The journal entry above describes how the natives managed to trick entire herds into jumping over a cliff. It involved dressing up in buffalo skins, and trying to start the stampede in the direction of the cliff. > The way primitive people were living would allow them to live on the planet until an asteroid came and wiped them out, which could be millions of years. On the contrary. We at least take the bad parts of bulls / cows and turn it into hamburgers and/or spam. The natives would slaughter many Bison and then leave them to rot in the river. ---------- In any case, the ills of our society are certainly great. But don't assume that the natives were better than us just because they were more primitive. In many ways, their ways were savage and wasteful. It requires a keen eye and a careful understanding of history to fully make a judgement upon a society, especially a society which has been basically wiped out of the modern era.
- devoply 8y ago
  > If you look at truly historical documents, such as Lewis and Clark's expedition, you'd learn that Native Americans killed Buffalo to an incredible degree. And the Europeans built railroads and paid people to shoot them dead from trains specifically to starve natives. They pretty much wiped them out. > The natives would slaughter the ENTIRE HERD at a time, in this case by scaring them off a 120-foot cliff. The natives wouldn't eat all of them, it was more important to kill all the buffalo so that no survivor could teach their friends how to avoid the kill move. > The journal entry above describes how the natives managed to trick entire herds into jumping over a cliff. It involved dressing up in buffalo skins, and trying to start the stampede in the direction of the cliff. And despite all of this there were still tons of buffalo around. > In any case, the ills of our society are certainly great. But don't assume that the natives were better than us just because they were more primitive. In many ways, their ways were savage and wasteful. I am not saying they were better than us, I am simply saying their way of doing things was having little impact on the planet whereas in our way of doing things is teraforming the planet. All the top soil is being depleted and we don't actually know how to replace all the stuff we're depleting we just take it as granted. We are sustaining 300 million people while the natives were sustaining maybe a million. Litany of things which are different and not conducive to long term survival.
  - ZenPsycho 8y ago
    estimates of pre-colonial north american population are between 8 million and 112 million.

dragontamer 8y ago

The Myth of the noble savage is also propagated by our culture. Its just that, a myth. If you look at truly historical documents, such as Lewis and Clark's expedition, you'd learn that Native Americans killed Buffalo to an incredible degree. Read May 29, 1805: https://lewisandclarkjournals.unl.edu/item/lc.jrn.1805-05-29 https://lewisandclarkjournals.unl.edu/item/lc.jrn.1805-05-29 > [T]oday we passed on the Stard. side the remains of a vast many mangled carcases of Buffalow which had been driven over a precipice of 120 feet by the Indians and perished; the water appeared to have washed away a part of this immence pile of slaughter and still their remained the fragments of at least a hundred carcases they created a most horrid stench The natives would slaughter the ENTIRE HERD at a time, in this case by scaring them off a 120-foot cliff. The natives wouldn't eat all of them, it was more important to kill all the buffalo so that no survivor could teach their friends how to avoid the kill move. The journal entry above describes how the natives managed to trick entire herds into jumping over a cliff. It involved dressing up in buffalo skins, and trying to start the stampede in the direction of the cliff. > The way primitive people were living would allow them to live on the planet until an asteroid came and wiped them out, which could be millions of years. On the contrary. We at least take the bad parts of bulls / cows and turn it into hamburgers and/or spam. The natives would slaughter many Bison and then leave them to rot in the river. ---------- In any case, the ills of our society are certainly great. But don't assume that the natives were better than us just because they were more primitive. In many ways, their ways were savage and wasteful. It requires a keen eye and a careful understanding of history to fully make a judgement upon a society, especially a society which has been basically wiped out of the modern era.

devoply 8y ago
> If you look at truly historical documents, such as Lewis and Clark's expedition, you'd learn that Native Americans killed Buffalo to an incredible degree. And the Europeans built railroads and paid people to shoot them dead from trains specifically to starve natives. They pretty much wiped them out. > The natives would slaughter the ENTIRE HERD at a time, in this case by scaring them off a 120-foot cliff. The natives wouldn't eat all of them, it was more important to kill all the buffalo so that no survivor could teach their friends how to avoid the kill move. > The journal entry above describes how the natives managed to trick entire herds into jumping over a cliff. It involved dressing up in buffalo skins, and trying to start the stampede in the direction of the cliff. And despite all of this there were still tons of buffalo around. > In any case, the ills of our society are certainly great. But don't assume that the natives were better than us just because they were more primitive. In many ways, their ways were savage and wasteful. I am not saying they were better than us, I am simply saying their way of doing things was having little impact on the planet whereas in our way of doing things is teraforming the planet. All the top soil is being depleted and we don't actually know how to replace all the stuff we're depleting we just take it as granted. We are sustaining 300 million people while the natives were sustaining maybe a million. Litany of things which are different and not conducive to long term survival.
- ZenPsycho 8y ago
  estimates of pre-colonial north american population are between 8 million and 112 million.