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> Wow, they should work in education. Try a 10 year old laptop and no hope of every buying a new "high end" machine. That it is worse in another field is not a
by zulln 8y ago
> Wow, they should work in education. Try a 10 year old laptop and no hope of every buying a new "high end" machine.
That it is worse in another field is not a very good argument?
- scarface74 8y agoYes because developers who are whining about having to use a two year old laptop because their company is trying to save money seems more like a bunch of entitled brats.
- Tehchops 8y ago>seems more like a bunch of entitled brats. I'd say anyone that drops the money on a 4 year CS education of any rigor, survives it, survives and succeeds at the fairly rigorous interview cycles required to get a job in SWE these days... is absolutely entitled to requesting top of the line hardware to perform their duties. I'd say your argument makes it "seem" like it's coming from envious, curmudgeonly luddites. If individuals of other vocations feel that these developers are "entitled brats", perhaps they should switch careers? I can't imagine a teacher went in to education seriously expecting to get provisioned the latest rMBP as a perk? Are we assuming all jobs are equally dependent on high-end hardware to provide the best RoI for time spent?
- scarface74 8y agoBecause you think CS is the hardest, most rigorous major?
- Tehchops 8y agoWhere did I say or even imply that? I simply said it was hard and rigorous. Not the most.
- lightedman 8y agoI ended up testing out within 6 months and getting my degree, with my brain damage on top of it. Rigorous is too strong of a word to describe the shoddy state of CS education today. It was much, MUCH harder in the earlier days when everything was ASM and C.
- cr0sh 8y agoWhy do you assume all employed SWEs have 4 year CS degrees? Or any degree at all?
- Tehchops 8y agoThat's fair. Then they've managed to educate themselves, not exactly a non-trivial feat either.
- scarface74 8y agoTeaching yourself to program is not rocket science either. I was writing 65C02 and x86 assembly on 6th grade in the 80s. I got a C.S. degree because that’s what I was suppose to do.
- eanzenberg 8y agoIf you're bringing in 3x your cost (as you should as an employee), the cost of a laptop is very nil for the company. Their nickel and diming you is worse for morale and retention.
- scarface74 8y agoAnyone who will quit a job for something so minute as having a two year old laptop is someone that is probably so immature that they couldn’t handle the normal rigors that come from being a professional.
- eanzenberg 8y agoYou may think so. When you see certain coworkers get new machines every 2 years but you don't, for example, it builds a power structure when one wasn't before. If you feel less valued as a result, I don't think it means you can't handle the "normal rigors" of being a professional. It means, if you can find somewhere else where you feel more valued, then more power to you.
- scarface74 8y agoAgain if you can’t handle the “power structure” of not getting a laptop every two years, you will never be able to handle navigating life in corporate America.
- throwaway-hn123 8y agoMate, you're coming across like a cunt. Stop it.
- around_here 8y agoIf you're bringing in 3x your cost, you're getting ripped off and need to start raking those numbers back in.
- zulln 8y agoWhat would you say is a good ratio then?
- TomVDB 8y agoIn the end, what matters is that you keep your employees happy. Whether or not they are entitle brats (they are...) is irrelevant if you need those employees.
- TeMPOraL 8y agoIt's not "another field", it's literally almost every field other than computing, as outside tech people either don't have money for top hardware, or don't have interest in buying it. In so far as it makes developer more empathetic towards users, it's a good point to make.