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1.) Understand the cohort. Group kids based on cognitive abilities and reevaluate on an interval (once per year, for example). 2.) Match the level of ability t

1.) Understand the cohort. Group kids based on cognitive abilities and reevaluate on an interval (once per year, for example). 2.) Match the level of ability to the task. Practical work doesn't have to just be STEM. For example, "make sure the meeting room is clean, all attendees have a glass of water, and the lights are turned on." Simple checklist-style work that empowers the individual while being aligned with their abilities. It's important: keep reiterating to students that no one is "better" than anyone based on their jobs and that each is integral to the task at hand. It'd do wonders if we quit belittling people just because they lack a certain level of intelligence.

fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
The problem is how much are you willing to pay for the clean meeting room service? With transportation time and cost I don't see a way to scale that in a manner that pays a decent wage.
- cal5k 8y ago
  Bingo. Cognitive skills are compensated at a much higher rate.
- rglover 8y ago
  That's irrelevant. The point isn't the cleaning service, it's teaching kids that they can _do_ something. The next step up from that is "hey you did that well, how about trying to paint the shuttle." Scaled encouragement over time. Contrast that with "sit down, shut up, and look forward" and yeah, you're going to have a lot of idiots running around that aren't worth much economically.
  - fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
    I misunderstood and it turns out I agree. Something like tech school or apprenticeship is how that type of training happened historically. Mike Rowe has a foundation pushing a similar idea that may be along the lines of what you are talking about. https://www.mikeroweworks.org/about/#sweat-pledge https://www.mikeroweworks.org/about/#sweat-pledge
adrianhel 8y ago
The only way to do this without creating a hierarchy would be to group people in individual subjects. That would however be a logistics nightmare. .. Unless we embrace the real revolution: computer based learning at your own pace with teachers guiding individual students.
- tomp 8y ago
  > group people in individual subjects. That would however be a logistics nightmare You mean... like... in college?! Especially with computers, this is a piece of cake. Collect all preferences, add weights/priorities and some hard constraints (e.g. no class after 3pm), throw it into a SMT solver to generate individual student's schedules, give schedules to students & teachers. Done.
  - adrianhel 8y ago
    The problem is that a higher teacher:student ratio may be necessary and younger students can't neccessarily travel as far. (Some parents don't have cars, sparsely populated areas, etc.) For cities I think this is a no-brainer however. Exploratory computer assisted learning like Khan Academy would be possible. It would also change teachers role from public speaker to guiding individual students who are struggling or are curious. We could easily have these two models function side by side depending on population density.

fuzz4lyfe 8y ago

The problem is how much are you willing to pay for the clean meeting room service? With transportation time and cost I don't see a way to scale that in a manner that pays a decent wage.

cal5k 8y ago
Bingo. Cognitive skills are compensated at a much higher rate.
rglover 8y ago
That's irrelevant. The point isn't the cleaning service, it's teaching kids that they can _do_ something. The next step up from that is "hey you did that well, how about trying to paint the shuttle." Scaled encouragement over time. Contrast that with "sit down, shut up, and look forward" and yeah, you're going to have a lot of idiots running around that aren't worth much economically.
- fuzz4lyfe 8y ago
  I misunderstood and it turns out I agree. Something like tech school or apprenticeship is how that type of training happened historically. Mike Rowe has a foundation pushing a similar idea that may be along the lines of what you are talking about. https://www.mikeroweworks.org/about/#sweat-pledge https://www.mikeroweworks.org/about/#sweat-pledge

adrianhel 8y ago

The only way to do this without creating a hierarchy would be to group people in individual subjects. That would however be a logistics nightmare. .. Unless we embrace the real revolution: computer based learning at your own pace with teachers guiding individual students.

tomp 8y ago
> group people in individual subjects. That would however be a logistics nightmare You mean... like... in college?! Especially with computers, this is a piece of cake. Collect all preferences, add weights/priorities and some hard constraints (e.g. no class after 3pm), throw it into a SMT solver to generate individual student's schedules, give schedules to students & teachers. Done.
- adrianhel 8y ago
  The problem is that a higher teacher:student ratio may be necessary and younger students can't neccessarily travel as far. (Some parents don't have cars, sparsely populated areas, etc.) For cities I think this is a no-brainer however. Exploratory computer assisted learning like Khan Academy would be possible. It would also change teachers role from public speaker to guiding individual students who are struggling or are curious. We could easily have these two models function side by side depending on population density.