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All these things do not matter if you have the cash to buy yourself out of these problems. Yes everyone "can" potentially learn to fix their cars and computers.

by Viker 8y ago

All these things do not matter if you have the cash to buy yourself out of these problems. Yes everyone "can" potentially learn to fix their cars and computers. But if they have jobs that pay better than the time it takes to do the job then that is straight up shitty investment of their time. If someone earns so much money that they can pay 700 usd a month for this service, that basically means that they have figured life out and are successful and do not need to change. People that make money understand that the better investment is to pay someone more competent to do the job. Personality has also always been something the can be influenced by money. There is a reason why women would prefer rich "jerks" to poor nice guys.

onemoresoop 8y ago
Buying out of the problems will leave you with wholes in your self development which in the long run will cause more pain.
- Viker 8y ago
  That is true. But if you are successful enough to afford such a service that means that you are a well developed and successful personality that basically dones't have time to treat every woman like a magical princess. Clients have needs and are willing to pay for the services required. Rich people also have drivers. That doesn't mean they can't drive.
  - onemoresoop 8y ago
    If you choose to take it in your hands, to manage it yourself, you gain more, a good circumstance for self reflection you won't meet too often. If you see it as a service, sure, if you are very successful and don't have time that someone literally has to manage your dating, then more to you I guess... On the other hand, for people who are bad and incorrigible at self reflection, a serious matchmaker who knows you well can do a good job in finding you a suitable partner. But somehow I distrust this kind of online service, and that's me. "Local" matchmaking seems to be working in smaller communities.
    - Viker 8y ago
      Yes I can fully agree with you. If a person is clearly struggling with attracting the opposite Sex, then it is certain that persinalised and tailored help will be more benificial, but in the case with this survice, I see like a luxoroise tool to pay yourself out of some of the more mundaine tasks in the current sexual market.
  - g_sch 8y ago
    > But if you are successful enough to afford such a service that means that you are a well developed and successful personality that basically dones't have time to treat every woman like a magical princess. I wouldn't be so confident in the personal virtues of wealthy people if I were you.
  - tastroder 8y ago
    Last time I talked to a driver they didn't lie to me and pretend to be their client. The moral problem here, at least for me, is intentional deception, users of such a service actively pay somebody to lie to another person. That sounds like a great start for a solid relationship. The article makes is pretty clear that she hides her client's emotional baggage, which in principle is what most people do but how is she sure that transfers to the situation where the client actually meets the other person? Having a few thousand quids disposable might as well mean the client is desparate or simply inapt at social interactions, not sure why that would magically mean the exact opposite to be quiet honest. Being "nice" can hardly be considered a necessary prerequisite for making money.
    - Viker 8y ago
      The same can be said about make up, hi heels, botox, and other kind of plastic surgery. It is a service to assist in the cover up of a 'perceived' flaw. Can that also be called deception, regardless of how permanent the solution is ?
      - tastroder 8y ago
        I mean, if you like. I find these equivalences weird, of course you try to make a good first impression but I see a pretty big difference between make up / outfits, etc. and hiring somebody to pretend to be the best side of a fake you. The latter is an intentional lie, while the former is socially accepted, pretty transparent and more importantly expected - it's not like we assume the other person wakes up in full makeup / a nice suit. As for the permanent measures you bring forward, it's not like even modern and progressive societies aren't still split on purely esthetical beauty surgery. But then again that's an odd example because that's people's own choice and permanently changes their own looks so I do not really see how that really relates to the service debated here.
- scottlocklin 8y ago
  Pretty sure managing annoying garbage like OKCupid is not a part of "self development." The fact that services like "Pay someone to get you a date on the internet" have a market and seem to be necessary says something pretty awful about our culture. Technology is supposed to make things easier, not be something that needs to be managed by experts.
  - paulie_a 8y ago
    It doesn't say anything about our culture. Getting a date via a dating app is trivial. You match, ask each other a couple questions, you meet. Don't ask or send nudes. You have to be incredibly inept if you can't get at least one date by the end of the day. If it is a larger city, you could be booking them out through the weekend. But hey, anyone that needs this service will probably be a long term customer.
    - scottlocklin 8y ago
      If you don't see anything wrong with dating apps and what it has done to our culture, well, I hope you enjoy your trivial date getting while it lasts! I, personally, do not like the dystopia tech has built. I don't like 20 spam calls a day, ubiquitous tracking, insane "social media" or the fact that nitwits conduct witch hunts on the internet based on "facecrime." It sucks. Drugging yourself to put up with it seems to be standard operating procedure.
      - paulie_a 8y ago
        It streamlined the process of meeting interesting and nice people. I don't see a problem in that. If you are treating them as trivial dates that might be the problem. It is a chance to see if you might be interested in seeing each other again, low pressure, no stupid pickup lines, just a nice conversation and go from there. I have made friends from a number of dates that didn't work out in that capacity. I don't understand what your second paragraph has to do with anything I said, it's basically rambling. Maybe off topic rants isnt helping your dating life. Tech definitely facilitates the ability to meet someone and have a drink or coffee. Someone you probably wouldn't have ever ran into otherwise. I see nothing wrong with that.
ddeokbokki 8y ago
> If someone earns so much money that they can pay 700 usd a month for this service, that basically means that they have figured life out and are successful and do not need to change. No, that only means that they have enough disposable income to afford the service. > Personality has also always been something the can be influenced by money. There is a reason why women would prefer rich "jerks" to poor nice guys. The generalisation you make about women is really offensive, furthermore, you can not assume everyone favours income over personality in a partner. In any case, dating, like a job hunt and many other aspects of our lives, comes down to weighting up your expectations against someone else's, if you're fine with attracting a partner because of your money, good for you.
ataturk 8y ago
I disagree with what you just said on the basis of I know too many PhDs who can't change a tire. I think there's a lot of value in knowing how to do things, especially in the US where hiring someone to do work for you is super expensive and in the case of home improvements, often difficult to schedule anyone to show up at all.

by Viker 8y ago

onemoresoop 8y ago

Buying out of the problems will leave you with wholes in your self development which in the long run will cause more pain.

Viker 8y ago
That is true. But if you are successful enough to afford such a service that means that you are a well developed and successful personality that basically dones't have time to treat every woman like a magical princess. Clients have needs and are willing to pay for the services required. Rich people also have drivers. That doesn't mean they can't drive.
- onemoresoop 8y ago
  If you choose to take it in your hands, to manage it yourself, you gain more, a good circumstance for self reflection you won't meet too often. If you see it as a service, sure, if you are very successful and don't have time that someone literally has to manage your dating, then more to you I guess... On the other hand, for people who are bad and incorrigible at self reflection, a serious matchmaker who knows you well can do a good job in finding you a suitable partner. But somehow I distrust this kind of online service, and that's me. "Local" matchmaking seems to be working in smaller communities.
  - Viker 8y ago
    Yes I can fully agree with you. If a person is clearly struggling with attracting the opposite Sex, then it is certain that persinalised and tailored help will be more benificial, but in the case with this survice, I see like a luxoroise tool to pay yourself out of some of the more mundaine tasks in the current sexual market.
- g_sch 8y ago
  > But if you are successful enough to afford such a service that means that you are a well developed and successful personality that basically dones't have time to treat every woman like a magical princess. I wouldn't be so confident in the personal virtues of wealthy people if I were you.
- tastroder 8y ago
  Last time I talked to a driver they didn't lie to me and pretend to be their client. The moral problem here, at least for me, is intentional deception, users of such a service actively pay somebody to lie to another person. That sounds like a great start for a solid relationship. The article makes is pretty clear that she hides her client's emotional baggage, which in principle is what most people do but how is she sure that transfers to the situation where the client actually meets the other person? Having a few thousand quids disposable might as well mean the client is desparate or simply inapt at social interactions, not sure why that would magically mean the exact opposite to be quiet honest. Being "nice" can hardly be considered a necessary prerequisite for making money.
  - Viker 8y ago
    The same can be said about make up, hi heels, botox, and other kind of plastic surgery. It is a service to assist in the cover up of a 'perceived' flaw. Can that also be called deception, regardless of how permanent the solution is ?
    - tastroder 8y ago
      I mean, if you like. I find these equivalences weird, of course you try to make a good first impression but I see a pretty big difference between make up / outfits, etc. and hiring somebody to pretend to be the best side of a fake you. The latter is an intentional lie, while the former is socially accepted, pretty transparent and more importantly expected - it's not like we assume the other person wakes up in full makeup / a nice suit. As for the permanent measures you bring forward, it's not like even modern and progressive societies aren't still split on purely esthetical beauty surgery. But then again that's an odd example because that's people's own choice and permanently changes their own looks so I do not really see how that really relates to the service debated here.
scottlocklin 8y ago
Pretty sure managing annoying garbage like OKCupid is not a part of "self development." The fact that services like "Pay someone to get you a date on the internet" have a market and seem to be necessary says something pretty awful about our culture. Technology is supposed to make things easier, not be something that needs to be managed by experts.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  It doesn't say anything about our culture. Getting a date via a dating app is trivial. You match, ask each other a couple questions, you meet. Don't ask or send nudes. You have to be incredibly inept if you can't get at least one date by the end of the day. If it is a larger city, you could be booking them out through the weekend. But hey, anyone that needs this service will probably be a long term customer.
  - scottlocklin 8y ago
    If you don't see anything wrong with dating apps and what it has done to our culture, well, I hope you enjoy your trivial date getting while it lasts! I, personally, do not like the dystopia tech has built. I don't like 20 spam calls a day, ubiquitous tracking, insane "social media" or the fact that nitwits conduct witch hunts on the internet based on "facecrime." It sucks. Drugging yourself to put up with it seems to be standard operating procedure.
    - paulie_a 8y ago
      It streamlined the process of meeting interesting and nice people. I don't see a problem in that. If you are treating them as trivial dates that might be the problem. It is a chance to see if you might be interested in seeing each other again, low pressure, no stupid pickup lines, just a nice conversation and go from there. I have made friends from a number of dates that didn't work out in that capacity. I don't understand what your second paragraph has to do with anything I said, it's basically rambling. Maybe off topic rants isnt helping your dating life. Tech definitely facilitates the ability to meet someone and have a drink or coffee. Someone you probably wouldn't have ever ran into otherwise. I see nothing wrong with that.

ddeokbokki 8y ago

> If someone earns so much money that they can pay 700 usd a month for this service, that basically means that they have figured life out and are successful and do not need to change. No, that only means that they have enough disposable income to afford the service. > Personality has also always been something the can be influenced by money. There is a reason why women would prefer rich "jerks" to poor nice guys. The generalisation you make about women is really offensive, furthermore, you can not assume everyone favours income over personality in a partner. In any case, dating, like a job hunt and many other aspects of our lives, comes down to weighting up your expectations against someone else's, if you're fine with attracting a partner because of your money, good for you.

ataturk 8y ago

I disagree with what you just said on the basis of I know too many PhDs who can't change a tire. I think there's a lot of value in knowing how to do things, especially in the US where hiring someone to do work for you is super expensive and in the case of home improvements, often difficult to schedule anyone to show up at all.