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I have marvelled at the quality of WPs music theory articles where I think different outlooks are well tolerated and accepted. 8 years ago I tried to fix WP ph

I have marvelled at the quality of WPs music theory articles where I think different outlooks are well tolerated and accepted. 8 years ago I tried to fix WP philosophies entry on the concept of "Appeal to Nature" and was even joined by an experienced academic but our efforts[1] where removed by admin/users wishing to describe the topic as a kind of simple fallacious trope[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Appeal_to_nature&oldid=526380338 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Appeal_to_nature&... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

paradoxparalax 8y ago
that's saddening. I remember when there was no Internet, and you never hear about it will possibly exist (where I was back then) and then when it some day became something I just hear about and had the dream to use someday and see working with my own eyes. And then I though Internet will bring the political (r) evolution that will make humanity human, and that it will have all the Knowledge of All the Scientists from All the World open to anyone, even a poor kid like me, to see and learn and thrive... Wikipedia is still what is closer to that dream I had as a kid who had ever never touched a computer...So it is saddening, but we still have hope.
- strainer 8y ago
  I still think it is a matter of time before communication and analytical technology overcomes the difficulties which perpetuate human conflict and environmental destruction. Any day now... :)
  - paradoxparalax 8y ago
    By that time, The Brake of Monopoly of Communications by the wealth people and democratic power over the communications by the poorest is what will/would(not clear) overcome the difficulties, It is taking too long to happen, but my theory still holds. ;) :Besides: "The devil in hell is smart not because he is The Devil, but because he is old" pos-clarification: I Still find your "communication and analytical technology" kind of very weak as a definition, but let's just stop here, better. While still time to edit, and now if you don't want to stop feel free, Let's call things by their real names. because there is no need to be polite towards pure Snark ,what is not polite as well. so... This definition of yours : "communication and analytical technology" ...Is Not just very weak, is utterly Bullshit. And I don't like to waste time with people who's Cognitive Capacity allows himself to reason in such a clueless way, So I don't know if that manure you call a definition is arrived from Malice or just Ignorance itself, but it is Manure in both the 2 only possible cases. And you yourself, in your cluelessly, ( The Irony of The destiny) This is a quote from you, yourself, from your Github: "Fancy is a physics computing project developed with fanciful ideas of creating a programmatic sense of fantasy for the virtual minds of the coming AI revolution" LOL ( it means I am laughing a lot here) "coming AI revolution" Anytime now, "Genious", I see it at the corner already. Lol. ;) By the way, do you know what Snark is? ...look the dictionary and then read that your comment again, then you will know what Snark is. If you don't find it , look for Sarcasm, it's the same. "En passant" , you can look the other words you don't know the meaning in my comment, And I am sure you don't know the meaning of too many words, by the way you write in your Github, imagine the way you write in a random insignificant comment in a Topic that was already dead long time before you make your clueless comment.
    - paradoxparalax 8y ago
      PLEASE IGNORE AND DISREGARD AND DO NOT GIVE ANY CREDIT TO MY ABOVE COMMENT BECAUSE: The above comment was made by someone Insane, I mean, Me myself, and some doctors will happily tell you I have Schizophrenia[1], ...(I don't exactly agree here, but they are doctors)... ...among other sometimes impairing Mental diseases, ...what brings me even close to what is called Tourette Syndrome[2] ( in a mild form, with mild ticks, sure, but this one I have to agree with the doctors)... well, for sure, I went over the top, was before my first coffee of the day. Never comment before the first coffee. But I really assumed strainer was being Snarky. So, if you were being serious and not snarky in your comment, strainer, sorry, and really sorry, but it is too late to delete that now. And if someone has the power to delete my Rant/comment, please do it as soon as possible, because it was not fair. Please Dang, or someone. I was not fair for him. Not because of me, please note, I don't care for this account, It is not only Anonymous, is full of bits of private/personal misinformation, and wrong leads, and false clues[3], that I spread intentionally, exactly to anonymize myself. ( because Moriarty, the enemy of sherlock, was stupid and his decoy bits always converged, instead of diverge, that is what a decoy anonymizing bit/crum is)... But is not fair for strainer. His account wasn't anonymous, and I made a big mistake of talking to HIM (adhominen) and I am not usually like this, was lack of morning coffee, really. So I am very sorry for that, Strainer, really sorry, Mental Health is not my strong point, and I see now that your comment was made in Good Faith, and I am sorry for assuming you were being snark, and Im sorry for the astronomically adhominen, Insane, batshit-crazy slip mistake I made. Sorry Strainer, I see you are a nice guy, I hope no bad feelings left, and I really apologize , and who knows, maybe we drink a beer someday...I pay. 1- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia 2-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome 3- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring
      - strainer 8y ago
        Explanation gladly accepted sir - No that wasn't snark at all, just trying to remain vaguely hopeful :]
commoner 8y ago
I'm not sure if that's the full story, considering that you tried to have the article deleted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Appeal_to_nature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive676#Ongoing_harassment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_no...
- strainer 8y ago
  The original article was a simple attack piece on the concept of nature and should be deleted if WP cant protect a reasonable treatment of the subject. The "full story" could take as long as you've got to dig through, but the articles speak for themselves.

paradoxparalax 8y ago

that's saddening. I remember when there was no Internet, and you never hear about it will possibly exist (where I was back then) and then when it some day became something I just hear about and had the dream to use someday and see working with my own eyes. And then I though Internet will bring the political (r) evolution that will make humanity human, and that it will have all the Knowledge of All the Scientists from All the World open to anyone, even a poor kid like me, to see and learn and thrive... Wikipedia is still what is closer to that dream I had as a kid who had ever never touched a computer...So it is saddening, but we still have hope.

strainer 8y ago
I still think it is a matter of time before communication and analytical technology overcomes the difficulties which perpetuate human conflict and environmental destruction. Any day now... :)
- paradoxparalax 8y ago
  By that time, The Brake of Monopoly of Communications by the wealth people and democratic power over the communications by the poorest is what will/would(not clear) overcome the difficulties, It is taking too long to happen, but my theory still holds. ;) :Besides: "The devil in hell is smart not because he is The Devil, but because he is old" pos-clarification: I Still find your "communication and analytical technology" kind of very weak as a definition, but let's just stop here, better. While still time to edit, and now if you don't want to stop feel free, Let's call things by their real names. because there is no need to be polite towards pure Snark ,what is not polite as well. so... This definition of yours : "communication and analytical technology" ...Is Not just very weak, is utterly Bullshit. And I don't like to waste time with people who's Cognitive Capacity allows himself to reason in such a clueless way, So I don't know if that manure you call a definition is arrived from Malice or just Ignorance itself, but it is Manure in both the 2 only possible cases. And you yourself, in your cluelessly, ( The Irony of The destiny) This is a quote from you, yourself, from your Github: "Fancy is a physics computing project developed with fanciful ideas of creating a programmatic sense of fantasy for the virtual minds of the coming AI revolution" LOL ( it means I am laughing a lot here) "coming AI revolution" Anytime now, "Genious", I see it at the corner already. Lol. ;) By the way, do you know what Snark is? ...look the dictionary and then read that your comment again, then you will know what Snark is. If you don't find it , look for Sarcasm, it's the same. "En passant" , you can look the other words you don't know the meaning in my comment, And I am sure you don't know the meaning of too many words, by the way you write in your Github, imagine the way you write in a random insignificant comment in a Topic that was already dead long time before you make your clueless comment.
  - paradoxparalax 8y ago
    PLEASE IGNORE AND DISREGARD AND DO NOT GIVE ANY CREDIT TO MY ABOVE COMMENT BECAUSE: The above comment was made by someone Insane, I mean, Me myself, and some doctors will happily tell you I have Schizophrenia[1], ...(I don't exactly agree here, but they are doctors)... ...among other sometimes impairing Mental diseases, ...what brings me even close to what is called Tourette Syndrome[2] ( in a mild form, with mild ticks, sure, but this one I have to agree with the doctors)... well, for sure, I went over the top, was before my first coffee of the day. Never comment before the first coffee. But I really assumed strainer was being Snarky. So, if you were being serious and not snarky in your comment, strainer, sorry, and really sorry, but it is too late to delete that now. And if someone has the power to delete my Rant/comment, please do it as soon as possible, because it was not fair. Please Dang, or someone. I was not fair for him. Not because of me, please note, I don't care for this account, It is not only Anonymous, is full of bits of private/personal misinformation, and wrong leads, and false clues[3], that I spread intentionally, exactly to anonymize myself. ( because Moriarty, the enemy of sherlock, was stupid and his decoy bits always converged, instead of diverge, that is what a decoy anonymizing bit/crum is)... But is not fair for strainer. His account wasn't anonymous, and I made a big mistake of talking to HIM (adhominen) and I am not usually like this, was lack of morning coffee, really. So I am very sorry for that, Strainer, really sorry, Mental Health is not my strong point, and I see now that your comment was made in Good Faith, and I am sorry for assuming you were being snark, and Im sorry for the astronomically adhominen, Insane, batshit-crazy slip mistake I made. Sorry Strainer, I see you are a nice guy, I hope no bad feelings left, and I really apologize , and who knows, maybe we drink a beer someday...I pay. 1- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia 2-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome 3- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring
    - strainer 8y ago
      Explanation gladly accepted sir - No that wasn't snark at all, just trying to remain vaguely hopeful :]

commoner 8y ago

I'm not sure if that's the full story, considering that you tried to have the article deleted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Appeal_to_nature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive676#Ongoing_harassment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_no...

strainer 8y ago
The original article was a simple attack piece on the concept of nature and should be deleted if WP cant protect a reasonable treatment of the subject. The "full story" could take as long as you've got to dig through, but the articles speak for themselves.