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>And without getting into the debate of what is and isn't true Nice try, but this is missing the whole point. This is the crux of the matter and the problem wi

>And without getting into the debate of what is and isn't true Nice try, but this is missing the whole point. This is the crux of the matter and the problem with the category of "fake news", and precisely why this ontology is garbage.

heavenlyblue 8y ago
I must absolutely disagree with you: in my opinion the problem of fake news stems from compartmentalisation of news sources (lack of their diversity), rather than lack of actual facts in the news sources. The fact that you can read about the same topic in several (more often opposing) ways is already a reason to red-flag the piece in the first place. This isn’t readily available through any of the current newspapers. Everyone has an opinion. I would happily pay for an aggregator that simply ejects facts (stated facts, not truths) from the stories. Then combines that with similar other pieces.
- JetSpiegel 8y ago
  > I would happily pay for an aggregator that simply ejects facts There is already the AP news ticker, or Reuters. Bloomberg has the same thing for financial matters. If you read only that, you will die of boredom.
  - heavenlyblue 8y ago
    Well, truth is boring, isn't it? Would you otherwise prefer to read Russian propaganda speaking of German authorities policing Germans of Russian heritage? Because that's exactly what they are currently doing. 0 facts, amazing opinionated narrative in multi-paragraph form. Pictures on top of that. But that definitely sounds more fun. Moreover - that sort of narrative is way closer to the general sentiment of the working classes who are generally predisposed towards learning about how "the Man" is taking advantage of them in the first place.
    - JetSpiegel 8y ago
      I can't be so boring it leads to complete apathy. Unless you are a computer, there's a limit to the boredom you can take.
      - heavenlyblue 8y ago
        Would you rather be bored or manipulated by the foreign propaganda machine?
  - astazangasta 8y ago
    The AP news ticker has its own bias and narrative, as does Reuters. There is no truth in any text, only narrative. So long as you are reading trying to find truth in a single text you will fall into error.
    - JetSpiegel 8y ago
      If they contain only facts, there is no narrative. The only narrative is the selection of what facts to report. Without that you get lost in the deluge and get equally uninformed.

heavenlyblue 8y ago

I must absolutely disagree with you: in my opinion the problem of fake news stems from compartmentalisation of news sources (lack of their diversity), rather than lack of actual facts in the news sources. The fact that you can read about the same topic in several (more often opposing) ways is already a reason to red-flag the piece in the first place. This isn’t readily available through any of the current newspapers. Everyone has an opinion. I would happily pay for an aggregator that simply ejects facts (stated facts, not truths) from the stories. Then combines that with similar other pieces.

JetSpiegel 8y ago
> I would happily pay for an aggregator that simply ejects facts There is already the AP news ticker, or Reuters. Bloomberg has the same thing for financial matters. If you read only that, you will die of boredom.
- heavenlyblue 8y ago
  Well, truth is boring, isn't it? Would you otherwise prefer to read Russian propaganda speaking of German authorities policing Germans of Russian heritage? Because that's exactly what they are currently doing. 0 facts, amazing opinionated narrative in multi-paragraph form. Pictures on top of that. But that definitely sounds more fun. Moreover - that sort of narrative is way closer to the general sentiment of the working classes who are generally predisposed towards learning about how "the Man" is taking advantage of them in the first place.
  - JetSpiegel 8y ago
    I can't be so boring it leads to complete apathy. Unless you are a computer, there's a limit to the boredom you can take.
    - heavenlyblue 8y ago
      Would you rather be bored or manipulated by the foreign propaganda machine?
- astazangasta 8y ago
  The AP news ticker has its own bias and narrative, as does Reuters. There is no truth in any text, only narrative. So long as you are reading trying to find truth in a single text you will fall into error.
  - JetSpiegel 8y ago
    If they contain only facts, there is no narrative. The only narrative is the selection of what facts to report. Without that you get lost in the deluge and get equally uninformed.