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Worker rushing is pretty much a guaranteed losing strategy. One progamer who did it in competition was criticized for being disrespectful toward his opponent an
by lanius 8y ago
Worker rushing is pretty much a guaranteed losing strategy. One progamer who did it in competition was criticized for being disrespectful toward his opponent and viewers and lost his tournament seed as a result.
- cm2012 8y agoWhich player? I've followed SC2 for a while and never saw that.
- lanius 8y agoNaNiwa in the 2011 GSL Blizzard Cup https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/NaNiwa%27s_Blizzard_Cup_Controversy https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/NaNiwa%27s_Blizzard_Cup_Co...
- cm2012 8y agoThanks for sharing!
- Nuzzerino 8y agoHere's the video for anyone interested. Looks like Naniwa didn't put any effort into making the rush effective. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5roOPKm5lOw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5roOPKm5lOw
- treis 8y agoThe announcers said that the game didn't matter. I don't think Naniwa was trying to win, just get the game over with.
- Bootvis 8y agoIf I understand the article correctly the verdict would have been different if he had won the match or at least an interesting fight had resulted. So, I'd guess that if an AI plays this strategy well enough (somehow) it would not be a problem.
- empath75 8y agoYeah I remember that. That was just seen as him throwing the game, not a sincere attempt to win. He had a reputation for throwing temper tantrums.
- cjbprime 8y agoThis is overstated. In the last few years Solar successfully worker rushed Zest, two world class Korean pros who didn't lose any reputation from it, and Scarlett will regularly worker rush in ZvZ. Especially in ZvZ where spine crawlers can be built, it's not an auto loss -- it's a bet that the opponent is playing a little greedy, and a chaotic fight.
- gpm 8y agoYou're referring to this game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpGZY9O_dF4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpGZY9O_dF4 That's not a worker rush, that's an early pool where you brought some drones.
- cjbprime 8y agoThe video has "drone rush" in the title, and the commenters echo the term without disagreement, so I think you're being idiosyncratic.
- lanius 8y agoThose aren't worker rushes.
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- henrygrew 8y agoThis should be discouraged at a professional level
- esrauch 8y agoThe professional level should involve doing whatever the game permits that is most effective. If it is a viable strategy and not a real edge case to punish some maximal greedy strategy, the game should probably be patched.
- Cthulhu_ 8y agoI would expect professionals to be able to deal with it defensively as well. It's a game, if it's possible to do in the game it's legal. And Blizzard has regularly pushed updates / rebalancing in both SC1 and 2 to make certain strategies more or less viable.
- Shorel 8y agoIt was a proof of concept. It meant that the AI actually found a working strategy against one of the standard bots, where it had not found any before. It will probably never work when it starts to play against itself, but we don't know if the AI is already at that point.
- setr 8y ago> One progamer who did it in competition was criticized for being disrespectful toward his opponent and viewers and lost his tournament seed as a result. ..what? Thats an absurd consequence -- sc/2 has a hundred different ways to rush, and they all come with the note: if it works, you win, if it doesn't, you're dead. And everyone accepts it. What's so special about drone rushing that it'd receive such consequences? I mean hell, there's Has specializing in cannon rushing and goes damned far; but drone rushing? No, thats just too much!