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I come from an area with lots of skiing. Snow cannons, piste bashers, lift maintenance. Skiing is very polluting. Besides, you have to (usually) drive quite a

I come from an area with lots of skiing. Snow cannons, piste bashers, lift maintenance. Skiing is very polluting. Besides, you have to (usually) drive quite a bit to get to the mountain. It's also extremely expensive.

bamboozled 8y ago
Ah I see, I live in an area where man made snow does is not a thing I didn’t consider that stuff, cheers.
mar77i 8y ago
The mountain meadows used for skiing are kind of a mess during the summer. I'm Swiss, and going to ski basically means to be pulled up by a lift and slide back down. The entire concept of it is laughably unproductive, resulting at most in sunburns, sports injuries and further pollution from drunk people at après ski parties. It's preposterous hedonism.
- tcpekin 8y ago
  What form of entertainment or sport can you not reduce like this? You could say something in the same vein about jogging, watching TV, cycling, organized sports, etc. I'm American and going swimming basically means to go nowhere for as long as the exercise lasts. The entire concept of it is laughably unproductive, resulting in at most sunburns, sports injuries, and further pollution from chemicals used to clean the pools. It's preposterous hedonism.
  - mar77i 8y ago
    Such a pool, assuming you're not the only person using it, is usually a rather well-used patch of land, as opposed to the space needed for an entire skiing resort, considering outdoor pools are also used seasonally. And even if you are the only person using it, you likely still have much more bang per square meter with a pool. I haven't heard of a pool that is as extensive as a skiing resort, stretching through often tens of kilometers of otherwise undisturbed nature. But yeah, I'll admit it, I don't really believe my feet will decide the vote on where to draw the line here, though, therefore I have to try make skiing look as bad as I possibly can.
hokkos 8y ago
It seems all what you are mentioning have a very minor impact on CO2 emission, it only measure to 2% of emission from ski stations. From : https://www.maxisciences.com/co2/climat-les-stations-de-ski-presentent-leur-premier-bilan-carbone_art5350.html https://www.maxisciences.com/co2/climat-les-stations-de-ski-... On this site of different French ski station it claims a 19g to 350g of CO2 per day per user for snow cannons, piste bashers, lift maintenance. It is less than how much CO2 a human breath (1kg) per day. http://www.n-py.com/sites/n-py/files/commons/Valeurs-C02-15-16.pdf http://www.n-py.com/sites/n-py/files/commons/Valeurs-C02-15-... The majority of CO2 emission is transportation : 57% and 27% for housing. You can personally easily reduce the CO2 emission to go to the ski station using TGV train, if we take the example of the French OP, and then buses to climb to the station. For the housing it would be the same as if you were at home.

bamboozled 8y ago

Ah I see, I live in an area where man made snow does is not a thing I didn’t consider that stuff, cheers.

mar77i 8y ago

The mountain meadows used for skiing are kind of a mess during the summer. I'm Swiss, and going to ski basically means to be pulled up by a lift and slide back down. The entire concept of it is laughably unproductive, resulting at most in sunburns, sports injuries and further pollution from drunk people at après ski parties. It's preposterous hedonism.

tcpekin 8y ago
What form of entertainment or sport can you not reduce like this? You could say something in the same vein about jogging, watching TV, cycling, organized sports, etc. I'm American and going swimming basically means to go nowhere for as long as the exercise lasts. The entire concept of it is laughably unproductive, resulting in at most sunburns, sports injuries, and further pollution from chemicals used to clean the pools. It's preposterous hedonism.
- mar77i 8y ago
  Such a pool, assuming you're not the only person using it, is usually a rather well-used patch of land, as opposed to the space needed for an entire skiing resort, considering outdoor pools are also used seasonally. And even if you are the only person using it, you likely still have much more bang per square meter with a pool. I haven't heard of a pool that is as extensive as a skiing resort, stretching through often tens of kilometers of otherwise undisturbed nature. But yeah, I'll admit it, I don't really believe my feet will decide the vote on where to draw the line here, though, therefore I have to try make skiing look as bad as I possibly can.

hokkos 8y ago

It seems all what you are mentioning have a very minor impact on CO2 emission, it only measure to 2% of emission from ski stations. From : https://www.maxisciences.com/co2/climat-les-stations-de-ski-presentent-leur-premier-bilan-carbone_art5350.html https://www.maxisciences.com/co2/climat-les-stations-de-ski-... On this site of different French ski station it claims a 19g to 350g of CO2 per day per user for snow cannons, piste bashers, lift maintenance. It is less than how much CO2 a human breath (1kg) per day. http://www.n-py.com/sites/n-py/files/commons/Valeurs-C02-15-16.pdf http://www.n-py.com/sites/n-py/files/commons/Valeurs-C02-15-... The majority of CO2 emission is transportation : 57% and 27% for housing. You can personally easily reduce the CO2 emission to go to the ski station using TGV train, if we take the example of the French OP, and then buses to climb to the station. For the housing it would be the same as if you were at home.