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> I really want to scream a big FCK you to your face for saying that "No one wants to give up their own personal comfort or lifestyle for the sake of "the plane

by dpark 8y ago

> I really want to scream a big FCK you to your face for saying that "No one wants to give up their own personal comfort or lifestyle for the sake of "the planet."". Can you understand that? You seem to have given up any hope in political change, but please, don't speak for other. You expect a political solution but your immediate reaction to someone expressing a differing opinion is overt hostility. I don’t know how to say this politely. You’re not a good advocate for the political process if you can’t calmly discuss the opposing viewpoint. At no point did you provide evidence that a political solution is viable. You just complained about others and explained how you’re an environmentalist martyr. Most people don’t want to be martyrs.

TheArcane 8y ago
I wouldn't call this "overt hostility".
- mac01021 8y ago
  "I really want to scream a big F*CK you to your face" is certainly more overt than covert. Still, I sympathize with the sentiment, the attitude of despair is EXTREMELY frustrating.
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
    I "wanted to" because of frustration, but my entire comment is intended to express the frustration, explain it and make sure we can better understand one another. Really the opposite of hostility but I certainly failed to express myself correctly. I'll try to do better next time.
rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
That isn't my intention at all. English is not my first language so it might not help but please bear with me. I intentionally said "I really want to scream" and not "Let me say" because I certainly do not want to be hostile. I shared the point of view of the person I responded to, so no, I really did not express hostility but an invitation to understand that some people actually are giving up "their own personal comfort or lifestyle for the sake of the plane". >I don’t know how to say this politely. Look, you're writing something very similar to my "I want to" with this "I don't know but". I'm sure we both have good intentions. > You’re not a good advocate for the political process if you can’t calmly discuss the opposing viewpoint. I do not pretend to be a good advocate here. I'm trying to have someone consider that the actions of others are sincere. That people are actually fighting and giving up comfort (which the OP comment denied). I don't want to complain because I'm well off myself (good job, very secured financially, etc) but there are so many people who would not act if we keep denying the possibility of change and insists in making other choices non-existent or insincere. That would have be the case a younger me, that's why I'm quite emotional. It's just my feeling and I understand that it may not be welcome. >At no point did you provide evidence that a political solution is viable. Again, that's not my point. I could comment on that, but I reacted to the assumption that "No one wants to give up their own personal comfort or lifestyle for the sake of the planet". This is a very bad starting point to discuss this because the last decade of my life shows the contrary. I only complain that stating the contrary is false (logically) and morally wrong (who can speak for others about their intention?). Why do you think I'm a martyr? I certainly don't feel like one (again, I live in Paris and have enough time and resources to care not about my personal situation but climate change and poor workers who can't bear taxes). Nor do you I want anyone to be a martyr because I know we would have a violent regime change (probably not for the best) if people start feeling like they would have to die to be heard.
- drankula3 8y ago
  There's a saying that comes to mind when I read this post.. You judge yourself based on intent. You judge others based on action.
  - Latteland 8y ago
    I'd say we can judge him or her based on both intent and action, they seem in line with each other.
- dpark 8y ago
  > Why do you think I'm a martyr? I certainly don't feel like one Metaphorical martyr. Half of your post was about the sacrifices you make (e.g. biking in the snow). Most people are not willing to make enormous sacrifices to stave off climate change, especially because they don’t feel their sacrifices meaningfully impact the outcome. This is why they riot over fuel taxes.

by dpark 8y ago

TheArcane 8y ago

I wouldn't call this "overt hostility".

mac01021 8y ago
"I really want to scream a big F*CK you to your face" is certainly more overt than covert. Still, I sympathize with the sentiment, the attitude of despair is EXTREMELY frustrating.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
  I "wanted to" because of frustration, but my entire comment is intended to express the frustration, explain it and make sure we can better understand one another. Really the opposite of hostility but I certainly failed to express myself correctly. I'll try to do better next time.

rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago

That isn't my intention at all. English is not my first language so it might not help but please bear with me. I intentionally said "I really want to scream" and not "Let me say" because I certainly do not want to be hostile. I shared the point of view of the person I responded to, so no, I really did not express hostility but an invitation to understand that some people actually are giving up "their own personal comfort or lifestyle for the sake of the plane". >I don’t know how to say this politely. Look, you're writing something very similar to my "I want to" with this "I don't know but". I'm sure we both have good intentions. > You’re not a good advocate for the political process if you can’t calmly discuss the opposing viewpoint. I do not pretend to be a good advocate here. I'm trying to have someone consider that the actions of others are sincere. That people are actually fighting and giving up comfort (which the OP comment denied). I don't want to complain because I'm well off myself (good job, very secured financially, etc) but there are so many people who would not act if we keep denying the possibility of change and insists in making other choices non-existent or insincere. That would have be the case a younger me, that's why I'm quite emotional. It's just my feeling and I understand that it may not be welcome. >At no point did you provide evidence that a political solution is viable. Again, that's not my point. I could comment on that, but I reacted to the assumption that "No one wants to give up their own personal comfort or lifestyle for the sake of the planet". This is a very bad starting point to discuss this because the last decade of my life shows the contrary. I only complain that stating the contrary is false (logically) and morally wrong (who can speak for others about their intention?). Why do you think I'm a martyr? I certainly don't feel like one (again, I live in Paris and have enough time and resources to care not about my personal situation but climate change and poor workers who can't bear taxes). Nor do you I want anyone to be a martyr because I know we would have a violent regime change (probably not for the best) if people start feeling like they would have to die to be heard.

drankula3 8y ago
There's a saying that comes to mind when I read this post.. You judge yourself based on intent. You judge others based on action.
- Latteland 8y ago
  I'd say we can judge him or her based on both intent and action, they seem in line with each other.
dpark 8y ago
> Why do you think I'm a martyr? I certainly don't feel like one Metaphorical martyr. Half of your post was about the sacrifices you make (e.g. biking in the snow). Most people are not willing to make enormous sacrifices to stave off climate change, especially because they don’t feel their sacrifices meaningfully impact the outcome. This is why they riot over fuel taxes.