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“He started at one leg and then ran his hand up to my crotch. He? That seems.... wrong. I am fairly certain TSA policies, and indeed various laws, require a f

by ErrantX 16y ago

“He started at one leg and then ran his hand up to my crotch. He? That seems.... wrong. I am fairly certain TSA policies, and indeed various laws, require a female officer to perform the pat down (on a woman). Unless my information is out of date they broke a number of their own rules there, so I would file an official complaint (and potentially a molestation charge).

marze 16y ago
If you read through this collection of accounts, an opposite sex patdown-partner does not seem uncommon: http://www.thousandsstandingaround.org/ http://www.thousandsstandingaround.org/
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- confuzatron 16y ago
  True enough. It's quite hard to find them but I found one that apparently came from a site called InfoWars - isn't that some whacko conspiracy theory website? That's an unusual selection in general - there's comments that don't even describe something that occurred - just someone complaining in general about the TSA policy.
pierrefar 16y ago
I would file an official complaint Yeah because not only will that actually matter to the TSA, your name also won't be stored somewhere so that the next time you're in line you get a special treatment. And what about non-US citizens? What say do they have, really?
- chopsueyar 16y ago
  And what about non-US citizens? What say do they have, really? All non-US citizens are assumed to be terrorists and must prove their innocence (albeit the same goes for US citizens).
- tptacek 16y ago
  This sentiment is destructively untrue. The TSA is not an evil intelligence seething and building a victim's list to antagonize for all time for its own pleasure. It is instead a misguided bureaucratic attempt to address (to the public's eye) the problem of airline security. It is an organization consisting of civil servants who are accountable to process and contractors who are accountable to master contracts. What intelligence it has as an organization is clearly --- demonstrably --- top-down and ham-handed. The TSA is both incapable of storing the names of complainants to enact future revenge fantasies, and also utterly held hostage to its own process and oversight rules. The one, single thing you can do to harm it is apply its own process against it. Not filing complaints is exactly what the TSA wants you to do. Like every other government bureaucracy, the only stimuli it's prepared to act on are the ones it is pinned out to handle, and one of the very few control pins TSA has for inputs from people who aren't terrorists is "formal complaint".
mtinkerhess 16y ago
To say that an intensive pat down is okay (or somehow better) as long as it's done by someone of the same gender seems awfully heteronormative. In this case the gender of the TSA agent seems to have made the experience especially traumatic, but in general groping is groping regardless of the gender of the person who's doing it.
- tptacek 16y ago
  I'm not sure you've noticed, but American society is intensively heteronormed. Also, you didn't respond to his comment; instead, you ran off in another weird direction altogether.

by ErrantX 16y ago

marze 16y ago

If you read through this collection of accounts, an opposite sex patdown-partner does not seem uncommon: http://www.thousandsstandingaround.org/ http://www.thousandsstandingaround.org/

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confuzatron 16y ago
True enough. It's quite hard to find them but I found one that apparently came from a site called InfoWars - isn't that some whacko conspiracy theory website? That's an unusual selection in general - there's comments that don't even describe something that occurred - just someone complaining in general about the TSA policy.

pierrefar 16y ago

I would file an official complaint Yeah because not only will that actually matter to the TSA, your name also won't be stored somewhere so that the next time you're in line you get a special treatment. And what about non-US citizens? What say do they have, really?

chopsueyar 16y ago
And what about non-US citizens? What say do they have, really? All non-US citizens are assumed to be terrorists and must prove their innocence (albeit the same goes for US citizens).
tptacek 16y ago
This sentiment is destructively untrue. The TSA is not an evil intelligence seething and building a victim's list to antagonize for all time for its own pleasure. It is instead a misguided bureaucratic attempt to address (to the public's eye) the problem of airline security. It is an organization consisting of civil servants who are accountable to process and contractors who are accountable to master contracts. What intelligence it has as an organization is clearly --- demonstrably --- top-down and ham-handed. The TSA is both incapable of storing the names of complainants to enact future revenge fantasies, and also utterly held hostage to its own process and oversight rules. The one, single thing you can do to harm it is apply its own process against it. Not filing complaints is exactly what the TSA wants you to do. Like every other government bureaucracy, the only stimuli it's prepared to act on are the ones it is pinned out to handle, and one of the very few control pins TSA has for inputs from people who aren't terrorists is "formal complaint".

mtinkerhess 16y ago

To say that an intensive pat down is okay (or somehow better) as long as it's done by someone of the same gender seems awfully heteronormative. In this case the gender of the TSA agent seems to have made the experience especially traumatic, but in general groping is groping regardless of the gender of the person who's doing it.

tptacek 16y ago
I'm not sure you've noticed, but American society is intensively heteronormed. Also, you didn't respond to his comment; instead, you ran off in another weird direction altogether.