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Honest question: where I live (typical Spanish small/medium city 300.000 inhabitants) most (like pretty much everybody) people live in flats and lots of people

Honest question: where I live (typical Spanish small/medium city 300.000 inhabitants) most (like pretty much everybody) people live in flats and lots of people do not have a way to plug their cars at night. Anybody knows how this can affect the use of purely electric cars? Even small ones, I mean (yes, neither I nor most people will buy a Tesla).

yread 8y ago
We have underground parking here in Amsterdam under our block of flats. The owners association discussed installing some charging poles. At 6000 eur/pole it didn't go down very well
- mcv 8y ago
  Why does charging have to be harder than simply plugging into a power outlet? The building has power, a few extra power outlets doesn't cost much. The hardest part is linking it up to every person's own electricity meter. That is, in my opinion, what the future should look like. As long as charging poles are expensive, they're not going to be everywhere, yet they need to be.
  - pfortuny 8y ago
    I am not your parent but in my city most of the buildings have now underground parking (lots of people park on the streets). This is where I see the main problem, afaik.
  - ac29 8y ago
    Standard power outlets, in the US at least, are only equipped to deliver 1-2kW, so fully charging a EV would take days (though if you only used 5-10kWh of charge a day, it might not be a problem). It's putting in the higher voltage, higher current outlets that's expensive.
    - mcv 8y ago
      Good point. I looked it up, and in Netherland, a regular power outlet is rated for 3.5 kW, which is probably still not enough. For devices that require more power than that, there's three-phase current, also called "krachtstroom" (= "power current") in Dutch, which, from what I understand, can deliver up to 19kW (though intuitively I'd expect it to deliver 3 x 3.5=10.5 kW). We have this for out induction stove. Getting it was a bit involved, because it turned out our house had only a single 35A connection, whereas 3 (usually 3 x 16A or 3 x 25A) is more common, so we had to have our electricity connection upgraded. Still cost less than $6000, though, and many Dutch houses already come with a connection that can handle this. Though that might not be true for other parts of the world.
- jakobegger 8y ago
  6000€ per pole is a ridiculous price. Installing 230V outlets next to every parking lot with a meter shouldn't cost a lot. For overnight charging 3.7kW would be enough for most people.
Tsubasachan 8y ago
Yep the government is gonna have to install a metric ton of chargers for it to gain traction. Tesla is very suburbia America.

yread 8y ago

We have underground parking here in Amsterdam under our block of flats. The owners association discussed installing some charging poles. At 6000 eur/pole it didn't go down very well

mcv 8y ago
Why does charging have to be harder than simply plugging into a power outlet? The building has power, a few extra power outlets doesn't cost much. The hardest part is linking it up to every person's own electricity meter. That is, in my opinion, what the future should look like. As long as charging poles are expensive, they're not going to be everywhere, yet they need to be.
- pfortuny 8y ago
  I am not your parent but in my city most of the buildings have now underground parking (lots of people park on the streets). This is where I see the main problem, afaik.
- ac29 8y ago
  Standard power outlets, in the US at least, are only equipped to deliver 1-2kW, so fully charging a EV would take days (though if you only used 5-10kWh of charge a day, it might not be a problem). It's putting in the higher voltage, higher current outlets that's expensive.
  - mcv 8y ago
    Good point. I looked it up, and in Netherland, a regular power outlet is rated for 3.5 kW, which is probably still not enough. For devices that require more power than that, there's three-phase current, also called "krachtstroom" (= "power current") in Dutch, which, from what I understand, can deliver up to 19kW (though intuitively I'd expect it to deliver 3 x 3.5=10.5 kW). We have this for out induction stove. Getting it was a bit involved, because it turned out our house had only a single 35A connection, whereas 3 (usually 3 x 16A or 3 x 25A) is more common, so we had to have our electricity connection upgraded. Still cost less than $6000, though, and many Dutch houses already come with a connection that can handle this. Though that might not be true for other parts of the world.
jakobegger 8y ago
6000€ per pole is a ridiculous price. Installing 230V outlets next to every parking lot with a meter shouldn't cost a lot. For overnight charging 3.7kW would be enough for most people.

Tsubasachan 8y ago

Yep the government is gonna have to install a metric ton of chargers for it to gain traction. Tesla is very suburbia America.