> This civilization has survived terrible wars in the past While that's true, I don't think any past war is remotely comparable to a 7-12 billion-strong human

> This civilization has survived terrible wars in the past While that's true, I don't think any past war is remotely comparable to a 7-12 billion-strong human population fighting to maintain unrealistic material consumption levels whilst ecosystems continue to collapse. Only time will tell. The one thing we can be sure about re predictions on this scale is that our likelihood estimates are wrong. > By the way i didn't down vote you No worries - I actually wouldn't have noticed as I don't use the voting system on comments. The 'sociopathic' word might have merited it. Perhaps a bit sharp. Or maybe not - I think our 'civilisation' promotes much sociopathy as mainstream. Few of us can in practise be free of that.