I don't think I did claim that? Yeah, it might well be necessary, sure. In particular, when someone is themselves using/threatening to use violence to prevent y

I don't think I did claim that? Yeah, it might well be necessary, sure. In particular, when someone is themselves using/threatening to use violence to prevent you from doing something that doesn't harm them. But the point is you (or rather, the state) then apply/ies as much violence as is necessary so that you can do what you have the right to do, but you don't beat them up to teach them a lesson. Or rather, if you do punish them in this scenario, you punish them for their use of violence, not for their idea.