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Public property does not mean you can obstruct it and use how you want. You have to be respectful to other public property owners, people

by usaphp 8y ago

jstanley 8y ago
Right, but you also can't steal someone's stuff just because they left it unattended.
- darkpuma 8y ago
  If they leave their property on your property, you're well within your rights to have it removed.
  - jstanley 8y ago
    But public places aren't your property.
    - darkpuma 8y ago
      > Free Scooter Removal Service For Property Owners/Managers in San Diego
      - jstanley 8y ago
        This subthread is specifically about scooters left in public places: > Public property does not mean you can obstruct it and use how you want.
        darkpuma 8y ago
        This immediate subthread is explicitly about private property: >If they leave their property on your property, you're well within your rights to have it removed.
    - strathmeyer 8y ago
      They're everyones' property.
  - deleted 8y ago
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- usaphp 8y ago
  So if I leave my piano on a sidewalk, which will obstruct it for pedestrians, you won’t be able to hire a company who will remove it? It’s not like they’re stealing it, they are just relocating it
  - cjensen 8y ago
    Correct! You must contact your city to deal with it, though if you are just relocating it by a few feet no one is really going to complain. And really, why not let the city accept any liability for any damage if they are willing to?
    - darkpuma 8y ago
      Are you certain of this? At least in many places, the sidewalk is owned by the adjacent property owner, the city merely has an easement. But it is still the property owner's responsibility to keep the sidewalk clear of, for example, snow and ice. You don't call the city to clear off the snow, as the property owner it's your job. Maybe Californian cities don't get enough snow so people don't realize this. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the property owner is also responsible for keeping the sidewalk negotiable when somebody illegally dumps a piano on it. From my experience formerly owning property in Philadelphia, it was my impression that keeping the sidewalk clear of anything was my responsibility. I couldn't find anything about trash on sidewalks in San Diego, but their government page on sidewalks suggest that property owners are partially responsible for maintenance costs of sidewalks: > Normal sidewalk wear and tear or age damage is the responsibility of the homeowner who can take advantage of the City's 50/50 Cost Sharing Program to help offset the cost of repairs. https://www.sandiego.gov/street-div/services/roadways/sidewalk https://www.sandiego.gov/street-div/services/roadways/sidewa... This suggests to me that responsibility for clearing out crap dumped on the sidewalk on your property is probably also the responsibility of the property owner. And if some freak weather caused a blizzard in San Diego, I'd expect property owners would be obligated to clear the snow as well (or pay somebody else to do it.)
      - ytjohn 8y ago
        This exactly. I own a house and a sidewalk, though the township has a requirement that I clear snow and ice off of it within 24 hours of the end of the storm. I am almost certain that there is a requirement to keep it unobstructed (though I'd have to look the wording up). I've never had to think about it, but I'm now trying to figure out my options if people left large objects on my sidewalk. I throw away litter. But if there was a bunch of bicycles or scooters, I'd probably ignore them for a bit and hope the owner came back to retrieve them. If it was blocking my driveway or causing a problem, I'd move them off the sidewalk and onto the adjoining grass. If they are left there long enough, I might put a sign to the affect of "this litter will be picked up on __" for the next trash day. But if I lived in a scooter rental place and this was an ongoing issue, I would definitely be fine with using a service like this.
cjensen 8y ago
Right. But that's a city issue. Private businesses can't have legal stuff removed from public city sidewalks just because they don't like it. In this case, the city of San Diego has chosen to not regulate this issue. Contrast this with San Francisco which was clear and unambiguous in rejecting this type of sidewalk litter.
- usaphp 8y ago
  > For Property Owners/Managers in San Diego
  - mmanfrin 8y ago
    The actual photos on the actual website linked in this post show scooters on a public sidewalk. The text says "For Property Owners" because that is who they are advertising to. The fact of the matter is that this company is advertising a service to take scooters off public property.
- rcw4256 8y ago
  > Private businesses can't have legal stuff removed from public city sidewalks just because they don't like it. Yes, they can, if they are impeding the use of a public right of way. When someone parks a car on the (public) street outside of your driveway, blocking you in, you can call a tow company to have it removed, and they would be legally justified in removing it and charging the owner for the impound.
  - bigiain 8y ago
    I think this is an interesting comparison. It's kinda established that if you park like an asshole, someone might call a towing company, and they'll charge you a fee to release your car. In that case you've got a potentially shady towing company and their legal people lined up against an individual who owns a vehicle that was parked somewhere problematic enough that the tow company was prepared to risk towing it. There's a different power dynamic when it's small local shady towing company versus VC backed "growth hacking" disruptive startup, who potentially have some fairly high powered legal services if not on retainer themselves, quite like available to them via their investors or stop accelerator... I read recently Uber were talking about getting into the bike/scooter rental space? Pretty sure I'd advise against local small business towing company/franchise from risking getting into a lawyer fight with Uber...

Public property does not mean you can obstruct it and use how you want. You have to be respectful to other public property owners, people

by usaphp 8y ago

Public property does not mean you can obstruct it and use how you want. You have to be respectful to other public property owners, people

jstanley 8y ago

Right, but you also can't steal someone's stuff just because they left it unattended.

darkpuma 8y ago
If they leave their property on your property, you're well within your rights to have it removed.
- jstanley 8y ago
  But public places aren't your property.
  - darkpuma 8y ago
    > Free Scooter Removal Service For Property Owners/Managers in San Diego
    - jstanley 8y ago
      This subthread is specifically about scooters left in public places: > Public property does not mean you can obstruct it and use how you want.
      - darkpuma 8y ago
        This immediate subthread is explicitly about private property: >If they leave their property on your property, you're well within your rights to have it removed.
  - strathmeyer 8y ago
    They're everyones' property.
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
usaphp 8y ago
So if I leave my piano on a sidewalk, which will obstruct it for pedestrians, you won’t be able to hire a company who will remove it? It’s not like they’re stealing it, they are just relocating it
- cjensen 8y ago
  Correct! You must contact your city to deal with it, though if you are just relocating it by a few feet no one is really going to complain. And really, why not let the city accept any liability for any damage if they are willing to?
  - darkpuma 8y ago
    Are you certain of this? At least in many places, the sidewalk is owned by the adjacent property owner, the city merely has an easement. But it is still the property owner's responsibility to keep the sidewalk clear of, for example, snow and ice. You don't call the city to clear off the snow, as the property owner it's your job. Maybe Californian cities don't get enough snow so people don't realize this. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the property owner is also responsible for keeping the sidewalk negotiable when somebody illegally dumps a piano on it. From my experience formerly owning property in Philadelphia, it was my impression that keeping the sidewalk clear of anything was my responsibility. I couldn't find anything about trash on sidewalks in San Diego, but their government page on sidewalks suggest that property owners are partially responsible for maintenance costs of sidewalks: > Normal sidewalk wear and tear or age damage is the responsibility of the homeowner who can take advantage of the City's 50/50 Cost Sharing Program to help offset the cost of repairs. https://www.sandiego.gov/street-div/services/roadways/sidewalk https://www.sandiego.gov/street-div/services/roadways/sidewa... This suggests to me that responsibility for clearing out crap dumped on the sidewalk on your property is probably also the responsibility of the property owner. And if some freak weather caused a blizzard in San Diego, I'd expect property owners would be obligated to clear the snow as well (or pay somebody else to do it.)
    - ytjohn 8y ago
      This exactly. I own a house and a sidewalk, though the township has a requirement that I clear snow and ice off of it within 24 hours of the end of the storm. I am almost certain that there is a requirement to keep it unobstructed (though I'd have to look the wording up). I've never had to think about it, but I'm now trying to figure out my options if people left large objects on my sidewalk. I throw away litter. But if there was a bunch of bicycles or scooters, I'd probably ignore them for a bit and hope the owner came back to retrieve them. If it was blocking my driveway or causing a problem, I'd move them off the sidewalk and onto the adjoining grass. If they are left there long enough, I might put a sign to the affect of "this litter will be picked up on __" for the next trash day. But if I lived in a scooter rental place and this was an ongoing issue, I would definitely be fine with using a service like this.

cjensen 8y ago

Right. But that's a city issue. Private businesses can't have legal stuff removed from public city sidewalks just because they don't like it. In this case, the city of San Diego has chosen to not regulate this issue. Contrast this with San Francisco which was clear and unambiguous in rejecting this type of sidewalk litter.

usaphp 8y ago
> For Property Owners/Managers in San Diego
- mmanfrin 8y ago
  The actual photos on the actual website linked in this post show scooters on a public sidewalk. The text says "For Property Owners" because that is who they are advertising to. The fact of the matter is that this company is advertising a service to take scooters off public property.
rcw4256 8y ago
> Private businesses can't have legal stuff removed from public city sidewalks just because they don't like it. Yes, they can, if they are impeding the use of a public right of way. When someone parks a car on the (public) street outside of your driveway, blocking you in, you can call a tow company to have it removed, and they would be legally justified in removing it and charging the owner for the impound.
- bigiain 8y ago
  I think this is an interesting comparison. It's kinda established that if you park like an asshole, someone might call a towing company, and they'll charge you a fee to release your car. In that case you've got a potentially shady towing company and their legal people lined up against an individual who owns a vehicle that was parked somewhere problematic enough that the tow company was prepared to risk towing it. There's a different power dynamic when it's small local shady towing company versus VC backed "growth hacking" disruptive startup, who potentially have some fairly high powered legal services if not on retainer themselves, quite like available to them via their investors or stop accelerator... I read recently Uber were talking about getting into the bike/scooter rental space? Pretty sure I'd advise against local small business towing company/franchise from risking getting into a lawyer fight with Uber...